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[giblets]

Since the colonial period? I guess America is traditionally a Communist country.

[Ben Kenobi]

I take it then that you support polygamy? The Bible definitely falls in favor of the practice.

Again, where? It's very clear in two places that marriage was intended to be one man and one woman. Christ himself states that the ideal is adam and eve.

[Ben Kenobi]

Since when did Communists hate alcohol or tobacco?

Every Communist country has heavily regulated the distribution of both. If the state is paying for health care, then it makes sense to ban substances that are detrimental to people's health and to control them as much as possible. If the state owns your body, then management of your habits becomes a huge concern.

Is it the religious conservatives who are passing all the laws banning smoking everywhere?

[giblets]

Every Communist country has heavily regulated the distribution of both.

Can you name any commodities that Communist countries don't heavily regulate the distribution of?

[DaShi]

Ben is like DD. You can safely assume he's wrong without even reading his posts.

[loinburger]

Again, where?

There are many people in the Bible who have taken multiple wives, Solomon being the most egregious example

Genesis 4:19
Genesis 26:34
Exodus 21:10
Deuteronomy 21:15
Judges 8:30
1 Samuel 1:1-2
1 Kings 11:2-3
1 Chronicles 4:5
2 Chronicles 11:21
2 Chronicles 13:21
2 Chronicles 24:3

Where does Jesus condemn Solomon and all of the other polygamists?

[Ben Kenobi]

Where does Jesus condemn Solomon and all of the other polygamists?

Matthew 19:4

Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.

[Ben Kenobi]

Can you name any commodities that Communist countries don't heavily regulate the distribution of?

None, and that's the point. Regulating these has nothing to do with religious folks, and everything to do with the communists who do the same thing everywhere they go.

[giblets]

None, and that's the point. Regulating these has nothing to do with religious folks, and everything to do with the communists who do the same thing everywhere they go.

Well, that just makes them a convenient scapegoat doesn't it? But Texans don't exactly elect Communists into office. It's religious control freaks who think alcohol and gambling are sinful who are to blame for the blue laws.

[loinburger]

Matthew 19:4

So Jesus "I did not come to overturn the law" overturned the law that permitted polygamy? Because it looks like he's saying that monogamy is acceptable, not that monogamy is the requirement; in fact, that's the only way to read the passage without contradicting Mosaic law, the law that Jesus explicitly said that he was not overturning.

Monogamy just came about to simplify marriage contracts (it made inheritance much simpler), i.e. it was secular law imposing itself on traditional marriage. I'd think that you of all people would accept polygamy with arms outstretched.

[Ben Kenobi]

They elect plenty of democrats, and there's very little to distinguish between the two. They both have pretty much the same goals.

[Ben Kenobi]

Because it looks like he's saying that monogamy is acceptable, not that monogamy is the requirement; in fact, that's the only way to read the passage without contradicting Mosaic law, the law that Jesus explicitly said that he was not overturning.

Argue that and you have to argue that 'but I say love those who hate you, do good to those who oppress you," is also contrary to the mosaic law. And I doubt you'd argue that.

Jesus is arguing that God's law as it originally was taught that the union between a man and a woman in marriage could not be undone, but that God granted a concession. The ideal of marriage is Adam and Eve. That is the point that Christ is trying to hammer home.

[giblets]

They elect plenty of democrats, and there's very little to distinguish between the two. They both have pretty much the same goals.

Is this a joke? Are you seriously claiming that Texas has elected lots of people who are basically communists?

[loinburger]

Argue that and you have to argue that 'but I say love those who hate you, do good to those who oppress you," is also contrary to the mosaic law. And I doubt you'd argue that.

Ummm... what? For one thing, you can't just say "this is contrary to Mosaic law" without actually explaining how it's contrary to Mosaic law - quote a passage or two at the very least. For another thing, if Jesus is saying that he is not doing away with Mosaic law, and then you say that Jesus's teachings are contrary to Mosaic law, then the response to this shouldn't be "and so I'm just going to ignore the parts of the Bible that confuse/displease me." Well, that can be your response, but what little credibility you have left goes down the ****ter.

[Berzerker]

Although these laws were clearly based on Christian beliefs, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that they do not violate the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.

the court's opinion: dont believe your lyin eyes