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[giblets]

Religious people just want to be left alone (so they can harass homosexuals and support legislation that stops them from marrying and adopting kids) in peace.

[Asher]

How is demanding state benefits to recognize your relationship not authoritarian?

I don't think ANY marriage should have legal benefits to the state. So I'm not asking for any. Just equality -- but both shouldn't get benefits.

There goes that argument of yours.

How is blacklisting and barring anyone who disagree with you not authoritarian.

I was not aware that allowing me to marry my partner involved blacklisting and barring people. Isn't the whole point that it removes the blacklisting and stops barring me from marrying my partner?

There's two bodies involved, that's the problem.

Well, then they need to settle it between themselves, then. This is no place for the State to involve itself...unless you were authoritarian.

[giblets]

A fetus isn't a child. Sorry.

[notyoueither]

The government doesn't have the authority to redefine marriage. They can only stand up for the common law, which is one man and one woman, of marriageable age and no closer than 2nd cousins. That's the English common law definition, which predates the formation of the United States of America.

Jeebus, you're an ignorant idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

United States

Cousin marriage was legal in all US states in the Union prior to the Civil War. However, according to Kansas sociology professor Martin Ottenheimer, after the Civil War the main purpose of marriage prohibitions was increasingly seen as less maintaining the social order and upholding religious morality and more as safeguarding the creation of fit offspring. Indeed, writers such as Noah Webster and ministers like Philip Milledoler and Joshua McIlvaine helped lay the groundwork for such viewpoints well before 1860. This led to a gradual shift in concern from affinal unions, like those between a man and his deceased wife's sister, to consanguineous unions. By the 1870s, Lewis Henry Morgan was writing about "the advantages of marriages between unrelated persons" and the necessity of avoiding "the evils of consanguine marriage," withdrawal from which would "increase the vigor of the stock." Cousin marriage to Morgan, and more specifically parallel-cousin marriage, was a remnant of a more primitive stage of human social organization.[20] Morgan himself had married his mother's brother's daughter in 1851.[21]

In 1846 the Governor of Massachusetts appointed a commission to study "idiots" in the state which implicated cousin marriage as being responsible for idiocy. Within the next two decades numerous reports appeared coming to similar conclusions, including for example by the Kentucky Deaf and Dumb Asylum, which concluded that cousin marriage resulted in deafness, blindness, and idiocy. Perhaps most important was the report of physician S.M. Bemiss for the American Medical Association, which concluded "that multiplication of the same blood by in-and-in marrying does incontestably lead in the aggregate to the physical and mental depravation of the offspring." Despite being contradicted by other studies like those of George Darwin and Alan Huth in England and Robert Newman in New York, the report's conclusions were widely accepted.[22]

These developments led to thirteen states and territories passing cousin marriage prohibitions by the 1880s. Though contemporaneous, the eugenics movement did not play much direct role in the bans, and indeed George Louis Arner in 1908 considered them a clumsy and ineffective method of eugenics, which he thought would eventually be replaced by more refined techniques. Ottenheimer considers both the bans and eugenics to be "one of several reactions to the fear that American society might degenerate."[23] In any case, by the period up until the mid-1920s the number of bans had more than doubled.[7] Since that time, the only three states to successfully add this prohibition are Kentucky in 1943, Maine in 1985, and Texas in 2005. The NCCUSL unanimously recommended in 1970 that all such laws should be repealed, but no state has dropped its prohibition since the mid-1920s.[1][10][24]

[Asher]

In 1846 the Governor of Massachusetts appointed a commission to study "idiots" in the state which implicated cousin marriage as being responsible for idiocy.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, then they need to settle it between themselves, then. This is no place for the State to involve itself...unless you were authoritarian

So when one party is defenceless, the state has no obligation to protect them?

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't think ANY marriage should have legal benefits to the state. So I'm not asking for any. Just equality -- but both shouldn't get benefits.

There goes that argument of yours.

Then why aren't you *****ing about having to pay now for gay couples? Your silence is deafening.

[Egbert]

True liberty is the freedom to decide for everyone else.

[Asher]

Then why aren't you *****ing about having to pay now for gay couples? Your silence is deafening.

Huh?

What exactly am I paying for?

[Asher]

So when one party is defenceless, the state has no obligation to protect them?

Sperm is defenseless. Outlaw masturbation at once.

[notyoueither]

Huh?

What exactly am I paying for?

That's obvious.

All income, yours and mine, belongs to the state. When the state declines to take some of it, that is a cost to the state. Deductions from their income paid to you and Boris for families and dependents are costs to the state, because they are giving you the public's rightful money.

Ingrate!

[Aeson]

Canada must hate me, because it doesn't decline any money my way

[Asher]

That's obvious.

All income, yours and mine, belongs to the state. When the state declines to take some of it, that is a cost to the state. Deductions from their income paid to you and Boris for families and dependents are costs to the state, because they are giving you the public's rightful money.

Ingrate!

I wanted Ben to use this excuse so I could demand to know why I'm paying for Priests to rape boys.

[SlowwHand]

Another thread transformed into a bucketof****.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Hate ons do that.