Why do Conservatives love people who break the law?

[Ming]

Taking contraception into account?

And what does that have to do with Catholics being the leaders in killing innocent children?

NO OTHER RELIGION kills more innocent babies. They are the NUMBER ONE KILLERS!
They kill more babies each year in the US than the population of Miami.
For shame...

[giblets]

Because they don't have those magical feelings.

Which is why abortionists put them down beforehand.

Real logical there, indeed.

Why isn't having emotions a part of being a person? Makes sense to me.

[Ming]

Which is why abortionists put them down beforehand.

Yep... those catholics "put them down beforehand" more than any other group.
They are the best at "putting them down". Go Catholics.

[Ben Kenobi]

And what does that have to do with Catholics being the leaders in killing innocent children?

The pill is an abortifacient. I presume your statistic only tracks induced abortions?

[Ben Kenobi]

Why isn't having emotions a part of being a person? Makes sense to me.

I'm arguing unborn children do in fact have emotions and that abortions occur in spite of this.

Do you find it offensive that abortionists inject drugs so that they dont feel pain?

[giblets]

The pill is an abortifacient. I presume your statistic only tracks induced abortions?

Does it matter?

Despite Catholic teachings, women religiously take the pill

Spoiler:

Fifty years after the birth control pill went on the US market, millions of women around the world are still under orders from the Roman Catholic hierarchy to eschew its use.

But all indications are that women stopped listening long ago.

"Catholics use the pill the same way everyone else does... Priests don't even preach against it any more," said Jon O'Brien, president of Catholics for Choice.

Ninety-eight percent of American women aged 15-44 have used some form of contraception and more than 44 million have used the pill, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

"There is no evidence that the teachings of the church influence Catholics in their decisions about the kind of contraception they actually use," said Frances Kissling.

The lead author of a 2004 report on Catholics' attitudes on sexual behavior, Kissling said fewer than five percent of Catholics in the United States use birth control methods allowed by the Church.

These include the rhythm method, where couples abstain from sex depending on where the woman is in her menstrual cycle; total abstinence; or breast-feeding for birth control.

Protestants, Jews and Muslims are bound by less rigid teachings on birth control than Catholics, but all the major religions' rules on the matter are based on the premise that the reason for sex is to go forth and multiply.

Just two years after US officials approved the pill -- one of whose inventors was a practising Catholic and the other the son of Russian Jewish immigrants -- the Vatican came close to loosening its rules on birth control when a papal commission made up of bishops, theologians and lay people set up by Pope Paul VI recommended that the Church lift its ban on artificial birth control.

O'Brien thinks the bishops on the panel had been touched by the stories told by five married women on the commission about life as part of a couple.

"The women spoke of the fear of sex, the fear of pregnancy, having one pregnancy after the other, maternal mortality, which was prevalent in northern societies because of the ban on contraception," said O'Brien.

"The bishops' hearts and minds were changed and they voted to recommend that the Church rescind its ban on artificial contraception, saying it was not intrinsically evil and that the pope's previous teachings on it were not infallible.

"It was a miracle," he said.

But the pope wasn't swayed and in 1968, he ignored the commission and said the Church was sticking to its old line on birth control.

In other words, the pill was still banned for Catholics.

"The pill is not the problem. What the Church has a problem with, is people who want to have sex and cut the sex off from fertility," said Bill Mattison, a professor of theology at Catholic University in Washington.

"We're trying to keep sex dignified and life-giving here," he said.

And many Catholic women in the United States initially tried to abide by the Church's teachings in their marriages.

"We played 'Vatican roulette' for years and it didn't work," said Else, 79, who had four children and one miscarriage in five years and was ordered by her doctor to take the pill after she had a fifth child in 1967.

"The doctor said to me -- he was a Catholic -- 'You're playing with fire having another baby and I think we need to do something a little bit more guaranteed.' So he put me on the pill," she told AFP.

"If I hadn't gone on the pill, I'd probably have been having kids at 50, if I'd lived that long," she said.

Women like Else who tried to obey the Church's teaching on contraception, "had more children than they wanted, it was a great sacrifice in life and at a certain point they said, 'Enough of this. This is ridiculous.'

"They realized that the Catholic hierarchy of celibate men don't know what they're talking about when it came to birth control," she said.

"The other way to illustrate it is the joke that goes: 'What do you call Catholic couples who use the rhythm method?'" said Kissling.

The answer: parents.

[giblets]

I'm arguing unborn children do in fact have emotions and that abortions occur in spite of this.

Do you find it offensive that abortionists inject drugs so that they dont feel pain?

If it's going to happen, it's better if they don't feel pain. And yeah, I can see how abortions that occur past the point when the fetus begins to have emotions are bad.

[KrazyHorse]

Ben's posts are boring. kiddy's are more hilariously wrong.

[Proteus_MST]

I'm arguing unborn children do in fact have emotions and that abortions occur in spite of this.

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So you think an embryo at/before pregnancy week 4 (where it de facto doesn´t have a single nervous cell) does have emotions?

[Ming]

The pill is an abortifacient. I presume your statistic only tracks induced abortions?

Use of the pill can't be tracked, so unlike you, I won't just make something up. There is no way anybody can estimate any kind of numbers by religion.

But what can be tracked is the number of people that go to doctors to get abortions... And in that, Catholics kill more babies than anybody else. That's a FACT, and not some silly BS you usually make up.
But keep trying to change the subject... More Catholics get abortions and kill babies than any other relgion.

[rah]

Yeah Ben, at what point to unborn babies have emotions? And do you have any scientific evidence to support it.

[DaShi]

What if the unborn baby is a sociopath? Is it ok to abort then?

[Wezil]

No. Those babies are destined for the priesthood.

[rah]

Well played.

[DirtyMartini]

Ok. Everyone has human DNA.

So does a tumor.