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I was in boy scouts for years. I'm with Dissident: the gay sex is what made it worthwhile"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostActually, no. The Scouts haven't changed anything. Philly city council is attempting to ram their recent 'non discrimination' clause down their throat in violation of their freedom of assembly.
It says that the scouts built the building in the first place.
The city council changed their own policies. This is no different then them breaking the lease themselves. You make it sound that something from outside forced them to change their laws. Not the case.
Anyways, the best solution for everyone is for the philly council to pay the scouts for the building, at it's 2010 value, and abrogate the lease.
If the Philly city council wishes to go to court, that will be decided.
Really, I suspect that litigation will be far more expensive than the value of the building in the end.
Or Philly could be honourable. Two paths. One has a certain loss, and one has an uncertain loss of far more.Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui
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Actually, yes. It doesn't matter whether the Scouts have changed anything. What matters is that Philadelphia is no longer willing or able to subsidize the Scouts as they are. The Scouts want to force the subsidy to keep coming.
Yes, and that they rent the land underneath it for $1 a year. That matters greatly here.
The council's policy of subsidizing a discriminatory organization was made illegal.
There's also quite a presumption in the law against perpetual arrangements to begin with.
No. That's the best solution for the Scouts, who would then find themselves with a windfall and the ability to play the oppressed victim. And you still haven't shown why the city should pay for the building.
The Philly council would have been wise to buy the building from the Scouts back in 1928, and they would be better off now. Sadly they did not do so.
They've also been able to lease the building out to other clients in the meantime, which is a significant income stream that the scouts have not had access to.
Fixture law is pretty well-settled. I doubt it would take eight figures to litigate this.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I think Ben's right, I dont want govt social engineering and thats what they did when they gave the scouts a lease for a $1 and thats what they're doin now with the anti-discrimination law. If it was that simple I'd say the scouts should not get a subsidized lease and the govt should not tell the scouts who they gotta admit. But the scouts built the building! The deal was giving it to Philly in exchange for Philly continuing the lease and paying for upkeep (I guess).
Course that would sound corrupt if this was some pols' buddies getting that deal, the scouts will probably remain in the building for its relevant lifetime and the taxpayers foot the bill. On second thought, screw that - just shows what a joke we are when it comes to equal protection.
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I take it you've given up on the subsidy/big government point I schooled you on, Ben."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Albert Speer View Post
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It's not a subsidy, Asher. They gave the building over to the Philly council.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostIt's not a subsidy, Asher. They gave the building over to the Philly council."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Leasing the land WELL below market value is a subsidy.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostBuildings ain't cheap. Again, they gave the building to the government. That's a credit, not a subsidy.
Then why are they *****ing? It's not theirs."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Because the government gave them an agreement that they could lease their building back from the government at a dollar a year in perpetuity.
That was the arrangement, Asher.
This isn't a subsidy to the scouts, and neither is paying the scouts the current market value of the building, because that is the value of the asset which they sold to the goverment.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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