Philly says Boy Scouts have to accept gays

[Asher]

In exchange for the perpetual rent.

You have yet to prove this.

Where is that spelled out in the contract?

You can't just make **** up and pretend it's reality.

[Asher]

The sale contract stipulates that they would be permitted to rent the building in perpetuity for the sum of one dollar a year.

The sale contract becomes void when the law of the land determines it to be illegal. The city cannot subsidize discriminatory behaviour. The law trumps existing, legally questionable perpetual leases for $1.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, if the Philly city council were to say that subsidies for sodomy favouring organisations were illegal, that they could take the building from the GALA folks without compensation?

That sword cuts both ways Asher.

Two, it's not a subsidy. The building is an asset now owned by the government. It would only be a subsidy if the government were to pay them in full for the building AND give them the rent.

[Asher]

Yes. Very good, Ben, you are learning.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yeah, like that will ever happen.

You'd be crying bloody murder about 'discriminatory laws'. Guaranteed.

[Asher]

Yeah, like that will ever happen.

You'd be crying bloody murder about 'discriminatory laws'. Guaranteed.

I would have an issue with the law that triggered the situation (laws discriminating against homosexuals). But I would agree with the legal concept that:

So, if the Philly city council were to say that subsidies for sodomy favouring organisations were illegal, that they could take the building from the GALA folks without compensation?

If the law changes voids the perpetual lease, then it does in both cases. And it does.

Unfortunately for you, Ben, the western countries are legislating additional protections for homosexuals -- they're not going back to the good ol' days you still have wet dreams about, where gays are raped and stoned to death.

[Ben Kenobi]

I would have an issue with the law that triggered the situation (laws discriminating against homosexuals).

This is the other argument. This law contradicts freedom of association. If the scouts were to take the law up to the supremes, it would get curbstomped.

Private organisations are free to associate with whomever they want. Boy scouts do not have to admit anyone they feel would be detrimental to the goals of the organisation.

[Asher]

This is the other argument.

One we are not discussing here.

This law contradicts freedom of association.

No, it doesn't. The boy scouts are free to associate, as upheld by the Supreme Court in 2000. The state simply cannot fund or subsidize organizations that discriminate.

Private organisations are free to associate with whomever they want. Boy scouts do not have to admit anyone they feel would be detrimental to the goals of the organisation.

Yes, you are correct. But a private organization is one that does not get funding or subsidies from the government. The Boy Scouts can continue to be bastions of gay-free pedophilia, but not with government subsidies.

[Ben Kenobi]

One we are not discussing here.

Ie, I don't like this argument, so it must be wrong.

It's part of this. This law violates freedom of association. Philly cannot enforce it without breaking fundamental freedoms.

No, it doesn't. The boy scouts are free to associate, as upheld by the Supreme Court in 2000. The state simply cannot fund or subsidize organizations that discriminate.

It's not a subsidy. It's compensation for the asset that has been sold to the government. It's no different then if the government were to buy your land, that the cheque in the mail is your 'subsidy'. Compensation is not subsidy.

Yes, you are correct. But a private organization is one that does not get funding or subsidies from the government.

Compensation is not subsidy.

The Boy Scouts can continue to be bastions of gay-free pedophilia, but not with government subsidies.

Then they should be paid in full for the building based on 2010 market prices.

[Asher]

Ie, I don't like this argument, so it must be wrong.

It's part of this. This law violates freedom of association.

No one is forcing the Boy Scouts to admit gays.

They're just cutting off a subsidy if they discriminate against gays. They can be a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION and discriminate all they want, just without public subsidy.

That is all. If you cannot comprehend this, seriously -- go kill yourself.

[Ben Kenobi]

No one is forcing the Boy Scouts to admit gays.

Threatening to kick them out is coercion.

They're just cutting off a subsidy if they discriminate against gays. They can be a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION and discriminate all they want, just without public subsidy.

So if the government were to expropriate your apartment, and sell it off to someone else, the cheque you received from them is a subsidy?

Yes or no?

[Asher]

Threatening to kick them out is coercion.

They don't own the land, they legally cannot receive subsidies if they discriminate.

They can continue to associate and rape children on private land, as a private group.

[Ben Kenobi]

Answer the question, Asher.

[Asher]

It's not a valid question, no one is expropriating anything.

I wish I could lease a plot of land for $1/year for 81 years from the government. Jesus christ that's a good deal. The money saved up with that lease could build MANY buildings.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's not a valid question, no one is expropriating anything.

Answer the damn question, Asher.

Yes or no?

Is the cheque you get from the government a subsidy?