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  • Hey HC,

    Was Gaza part of the 1947 boundaries?

    Edit: Asher beat me to it.
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    • Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
      See, this is the problem. So many Americans (and especially Jewish Americans) buy wholesale into Israel's party line.
      If directed at me, this accusation is hilarious.

      Israel claims Gaza is theirs. If that's true, then why have they pulled all of their soldiers and other police out of the area and why do they blockade goods from entering?

      Is everyone here stupid?
      1) As I noted, Palestine is an autonomous region under the de facto sovereignty of Israel, as evidenced by the fact that no other widely recognized nation claims and enforces sovereignty over it and Israel both claims and regularly exercises authority over it.

      2) Even if you consider the port and surrounding waters to be foreign territory wrt Israel, you've acknowledged that you would not have thought it a violation of international law had Israel stopped the ship within the surrounding territorial waters [of whatever state you consider to have sovereignty]. A blockade is an act of war, and therefore said state would not be a neutral party and the general right of free navigation accorded to neutral states would still not be in jeopardy.

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      • I'm not inclined to put much faith in an explanation that repeats inaccuracies.
        the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish vessel



        MV Mavi Marmara (English: Blue Marmara) is a Comoros-flagged [7] passenger ship
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        • Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post

          Given Israel's track record of murder, war crimes, breaking international law etc, I'm more than inclined to believe this version...

          Don't worry Moby. Israel has promised a full investigation. Now that they are finished handing out medals to the participants they will get down to the objective analysis.
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          • John Kerry just blasted a reporter on ABC asking anti-israel questions

            US Congress (can't believe I'm saying that)
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
              I'm not inclined to put much faith in an explanation that repeats inaccuracies.
              the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish vessel



              MV Mavi Marmara (English: Blue Marmara) is a Comoros-flagged [7] passenger ship
              Oh, come on, nye.

              It was a Turkish-built ship. It was flagged in Comoros. But it was purchased (and operated) by a TURKISH CHARITY at the time of its raiding.

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              • If only asher would pick up on the OTHER hidden in plain sight details
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  John Kerry just blasted a reporter on ABC asking anti-israel questions

                  US Congress (can't believe I'm saying that)


                  People should be looking into the truth, not being pro-Israeli.

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                  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    If only asher would pick up on the OTHER hidden in plain sight details
                    I'm single handedly bowling you and your brother over here.
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                    • Israel's really helped the US, I'm not surprised the US is helping back

                      They've kept the Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans and Iranians (work in progress) from getting nukes.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • You're faring almost as poorly as Speer does when he talks about economics.

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                        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Israel's really helped the US, I'm not surprised the US is helping back

                          They've kept the Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans and Iranians (work in progress) from getting nukes.

                          As I suspected, the US position is not to see what actually happened, but to cover the ass of Israeli.

                          And as I suspected, you are also not interested in the truth of what actually happened, but to defend Israel blindly.
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                          • Remember that the palestinians are the people who danced in the streets after 9/11
                            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                            ){ :|:& };:

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                            • Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                              As I suspected, the US position is not to see what actually happened, but to cover the ass of Israeli.

                              And as I suspected, you are also not interested in the truth of what actually happened, but to defend Israel blindly.
                              No I actually think they did the actual right thing here too.
                              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                Remember that the palestinians are the people who danced in the streets after 9/11
                                Remember the Americans are the ones who called for the entire ship of 500 souls to be sunk simply for being enroute to Gaza.

                                Remember the Americans are the ones who called the murder of 9 people to be "the right thing".
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