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  • #676
    Wow I can not believe the stuff HC is posting...
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    • #677
      Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
      You're engaging in Kuci-levels of semantic douchebaggery right now.

      When that high school sailing ship sunk off the coast of Brazil, all the media called it a Canadian ship. It wasn't flagged in Canada, it was flagged in the Bahamas. It was just owned by and operated by and contained Canadians. Just like the Turkish ship here.

      Other inaccurate reports do not make this one any better.

      The nationaslity of a ship is an important point, and its nationality is that of its flag.
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      • #678
        Originally posted by Albert Speer View Post
        Wow I can not believe the stuff HC is posting...
        17 years old from the same sheltered background as Kuci. He'll be fine in 10 years.
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        • #679
          Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
          The presence of a material consequence is not necessary for a law to be violated and people to be upset by it.

          I'm positive that no law was violated by boarding the ships in international waters.

          It is common practice in blockades to intercept shipping on the high seas.

          It is the validity of the blockade that you should question.
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          • #680
            Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
            The presence of a material consequence is not necessary for a law to be violated and people to be upset by it.
            You yourself just said that the official registry of a ship is inconsequential and therefore irrelevant.

            Stealing the property of a dead man with no next of kin is still stealing, for instance. No material consequence, I suppose that means it's a-okay for you?
            I believe [but may be mistaken; this may vary by jurisdiction] that property would otherwise have been auctioned and the proceeds collected by the state, so there is a material consequence.

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            • #681
              Originally posted by Albert Speer View Post
              Wow I can not believe the stuff HC is posting...
              He's trying to troll Asher; his opinions on this issue are stupid, but they aren't quite this stupid.

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              • #682
                Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                You yourself just said that the official registry of a ship is inconsequential and therefore irrelevant.
                Very astute. Good work.



                I believe [but may be mistaken; this may vary by jurisdiction] that property would otherwise have been auctioned and the proceeds collected by the state, so there is a material consequence.
                The material consequence here is you don't know for 100% certainty they would enter Israeli waters.

                It could've been a ruse or a bluff.

                That's why you need to wait til they enter your waters before attacking people. You can't nuke a country and then say "they were gonna attack us" and have it be okay either.
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                • #683
                  Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                  I'm positive that no law was violated by boarding the ships in international waters.

                  It is common practice in blockades to intercept shipping on the high seas.

                  It is the validity of the blockade that you should question.
                  I have questioned the validity of the blockade. My discussion was Kuci was in his hypothesis that even if the law was broken, it didn't matter.
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                  • #684
                    Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                    Very astute. Good work.




                    The material consequence here is you don't know for 100% certainty they would enter Israeli waters.
                    Ohhh that's ridiculous Asher, just admit it, your argument sucks.
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                    • #685
                      Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                      I have questioned the validity of the blockade.

                      Well, good luck with that.

                      Attacking the blockade due to it being a disproportionate burden on the people of Gaza is going to be a bit tricky considering that the UN sanctioned the blockade of Iraq which resulted in the starvation deaths of a lot of people.

                      I am wondering if the deaths in Iraq would amount to a greater number than the entire population of Gaza.

                      There's also an uncomfortable issue of Turkey blockading Armenia in a complete absense of formal hostilities.
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                      • #686
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Ohhh that's ridiculous Asher, just admit it, your argument sucks.
                        Reality sometimes sucks, HC. That's how it is, though.
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                        • #687
                          I also get pissed off when the loud mouth Islamist Turkish President claims there is a genecide in Gaza while Turkey still won't admit they actually systematically murdered 1-2 million Armenians.
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                          • #688
                            An excellent point

                            furthermore, they aren't actually trying to kill all the gazans, just the gazans trying to kill them
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                            • #689
                              Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                              Reality sometimes sucks, HC. That's how it is, though.
                              Asher, that argument fails all the time but it fails especially hard when you are so remarkably, obviously wrong. It's purely rhetorical, admit it.
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                              • #690
                                I hope Kuci's right and you're just trying to troll.
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