Militant Gay Agenda To Homosexualize Ontario Children Thwarted

[Asher]

I'm sorry but this is ****ing bugging me.

MrFun, your sig:

WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE!?

That's what she said.

[Wiglaf]

You're a complete failure. No one, no one says that anymore. No one. If anyone said that to me I would fire them.

[Asher]

That's what she said.

[Wiglaf]

:douchebag:

I CANNOT PUT OUT INTO WORDS MY DISDAIN. :*******: I watch House and I haven't seen anyone with your caliber of douche in my whole life. YOU MOCK ME FOR USING THE TERM 'BONAR' BUT YOU USE OFFICE JOKES. I have fired people, adults who need to feed, for rubbing me the wrong way for much less. This is an example of a double standard, its not just a river in Egypt. :asswipe:

[Asher]

Yo mama's a douchebag.

Also, my problem with 'bonar' is you are misusing the word. 'bonar' is a boner sonar, an ability skilled gays have. It's a subset of our gaydar techniques but it helps us identify drunken republican politicians who want some **** on the side.

[Wiglaf]

You have basically jizzed all over your own thread, like some sort of gay bukkake scorched earth manuever, just to take petty shots at my half jewish mother, who by the way was a smart enough investor that her AAPL stock alone is enough for me to retire tonight. You have confused the term BONAR with BONER (I am aware of the term boner sonar but BONAR is not it), and I still don't see where you get off doing it.

And stop making fun of Republicans, you are one. No one ****s on unions like you do and isn't a ****ing Republcian, I can sense that, I work IN THE GOVERNMENT

[Asher]

I HAVE TO SAY I AM OUT AND EN-RAGED BY THE TURN OF EVENTS IN THIS THREAD. Here I am criticizing every Christian who ever existed on the planet, and you take it upon yourself to NOT ONLY ATTACK ME (as I am a gay man, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A HATE CRIME), but you have tried STEAL the word 'BONAR' from the gay collective. OUTRAGEOUS. ENRAGEOUS. EGREGIOUS. OUTSTANDINGLY ERRONEOUS.

FURTHER STILL you have called me a republican! Which is only half-right. The only part of me that is republican is that I engage in sex with men, but my other half is democrat in that I admit to doing it. I also do love to bust unions, but only because there's never, ever any attractive men in union jobs. They're all gruff Bruce Springsteen types who will take you home, **** you in the ass, then sneak out your 2nd story window and sue you for their broken ankle the next morning. They ****ing make me sick. Calling me someone who makes me sick, makes me sick. I am insulted and I am wishing I took English in university so I could communicate my tremendous outrage right now.

If you could turn on my webcam right now, you would see a furiously naked man hammering his macbook pro with such grace, elegance, and the veracity of a chimp trying to **** the only woman in his zoo enclosure. My face is red. My **** is engorged. My cheeks are clenched. I am sweating profusely and leaking in areas you could never dream of. I am debating ending it all.

I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY.

[Wiglaf]

I did debate in high school, LINCOLN DOUGLAS DEBATE , 60 minutes, and they told us a tactic to use when confronted with **** Canadians like yourself, who George Washington used to stack six ****ing feet high at Valley Forge, and that is to KEEP CALM AND RATIONALLY RESPOND TO EACH OFTHEIR POINTS. One by one on a legal pad. :Q:

I'm not going to do it, with respect to my junior-year speech coast who told me every cliche he found in the textbook while he boinked the cute switchboard operation, I am just going to lay it all out, what I think of you as a person,. YOU ARE NOT NOE! YOU ARE SOME SORT OF ABOMINATION WITH MULTIPLTE PERSONALITIES!

You claim to hate Apple but use a macbook pro, you are a gay man who makes fun of gays who play soccer, and you call beards "FACIAL PUBES" despite being an avowed fan of ACTUAL PUBES. (??????)

Does not COMPUTE! Read the story EPICAC by Kurt Vonnegut for more on this. I am good day, seriously.

[Asher]

I HAVE TO SAY I FEEL EXPOSED AND VULNERABLE RIGHT NOW. It is true I have both multiple personalities in addition to various neuroses, psychoses, and herpes. I hope I am not less of a man in your estimation for it.

All I want to do, with every post I make, is serve as a foil to your brilliance. To be in the same orbit as you around the same sun. I want to wake up every morning, read a post on Apolyton and think: "My Wiggy is reading the SAME posts." It's a comforting thought. Whether you are in Washington DC or back home in my bedroom, I feel your presence with me.

When you are away on all of your business trips to the shady parks in Utah, the airport bathrooms in Minnesota, or the Republican lounges in Washington DC I always get the feeling you are being unfaithful to me. For that reason, I have crafted this online persona whose only goal is to get your attention in any way possible. I want you to look at me, Wiglaf. I want you to love me here as you love me in person. Is that too much to ask? What more do I need to do?

To clarify my true positions on the issues...I hope this helps:
1) I actually love Apple. I've loved Apple ever since I first met you in the Mac forums. I had the Mac forums destroyed on Apolyton so I wouldn't lose you -- so that you wouldn't fall in love with another beret-wearing limp-wristed Mac user...so that you would choose me.
2) I'm a gay man who makes fun of gays who play soccer...but all who play soccer are gay, so it's not discrimination. There are smart gays and dumb gays...there are us and them, Wiggy. Soccer players are them! We are us. We == us.
3) I denigrate beards because I know you've been trying to grow one and it's not working. I didn't want to make you feel inadequate. I know when you feel inadequate you can't get it up, and I wouldn't ever want that for you. I know how special bonar time is for you and I don't ever want to take that away from you. I admit I should've been more careful, as you are sharp like Justin Long and you would've gotten the inconsistency right off the bat. I will try harder, my love...I will try harder.

I'm going to go to bed now...I'll sleep on your side and smell the pillows lustfully as I go to sleep, in hopes of dreaming of you.

Kisses...,
Asher

[Zevico]

Is it wrong to enjoy reading Asher's debates with his DLs? If so there's pretty much nothing left on this place to read.

[Wiglaf]

I can take this no longer. You have finally broken me. I sing along to Adam Lambert's "Whaddya Want From Me" every time it is on the radio. You win. I play soccer and water polo. Shirtless. I often tell my friends Ryan Seacrest should endorse tanning salons because if he did I would immediately patronize every one of them and blog reviews of them for my own satisfaction. I read books on my iPad to provoke people into robbing me so I can fight like I wrestled in high school and/or shoot someone like I did in archery class in the Boy Scouts. Perhaps most egregiously I bought tickets to a Lady Gaga concert and cried when she started singing Poker Face. Can't read. Can't read my, my Poker face. I am still not sure if she has balls. I could see her on an episode of Cops with her face knee deep in some trucker's crotch. But I'd still singer her songs on the American Idol videogame if you gave me the chance.

I am not gay, but all of that is true. I can fight no longer. It is 2:00 AM and my assistant is IM'ing me, talking about some sort of proposal I need to review. I have told him it needs more work. No matter what he does, I will fire him next week because he has not fulfilled the terms of the contract I signed him to and because he wouldn't go to the Lady Gaga concert with me despite me giving him two weeks notice. Somebody tell me, where am I wrong?

Did I go wrong Some-where?

-Wiglaf

[Ben Kenobi]

It applies to us if we seek godliness, leading by example.

Somehow I don't see us impregnating women through an overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. The Annuciation is not fornication.

Kinda deflates any moral teachings against adultery and fornication when thats how God conceived a kid.

Only if you reject the Virgin birth, which if you do, you have other problems as well.

Where did Jesus say fornication was detrimental to mental and physical health?

Life is funny. You ask a question I asked myself a long time ago to a theology student, who was unable to answer.

It goes back to Matthew 19:4-6

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Again, in Corinthians:

1 Cor 6:16

"Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

So what is the solution?

Paul continues:

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

What word does Paul use here?

πορνείαν = Porneian = fornication.

τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

Flee from fornication: every other sin that a man commits is without the body, but he who commits fornication, sins against his own body.

They teach against sex outside of marriage too. Your argument implied that practice produces healthier and happier people.

They don't teach what Christians teach about marriage, that a man is united to a woman in sex. Therefore their understanding of sexuality is not the same. They do not teach that two become one, which is crucial to Christian understanding.

Sharing such intimacy is very important

Quite the opposite. It is so important that Christ set out the rules by which it ought to be expressed, in marriage only.

its better to know if your spouse is sexually satisfying before you marry.

According to whom? You? I've spoken to others who say differently, that they enjoy sexual satisfaction with their spouse, having only had sex with one another. They say it is awkward at first, but you learn and you get better with each other. Again, there are ways to discover sexual satisfaction without engaging in sex.

Among the main reasons for failed marriages is lack of lust when lust matters

I'm not arguing with you here. Sex is an essential part of marriage. So much so that Paul confirms, that it is better to marry than to burn, with the understanding that if you do not burn for each other, do not marry.

Not everyone values thinking that over knowing it.

It isn't through thought either. Expand your mind some.

Where did Jesus tell people slavery was evil and to abolish it? And where did Jesus say fornication was evil?

Jesus says that sex is to be reserved for husband and wife only. As for slavery, he tells Christians, that they have a higher Master, in Christ, that men and women are fundamentally equal, and that they must all submit to Christ himself.

Again, it was the Christians who ended the slave trade. I do not doubt the moment this changes that things will revert to the way that they will, and perhaps your eyes will be uncovered. It's only the Christians, no one else.

Adam was created to till the ground before any "curse", but we choose to pollute, we choose dangerous jobs, we choose all sorts of detrimental behaviors for a variety of reasons.

Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

I dont even know how to define sodomy

Anal intercourse.

It's pretty simple. Why do you find it difficult?

its done maybe a few to a dozen times before marriage

Per partner?

... For those who dont marry, some sex is better than no sex. But I doubt you'd call it a habit unless we're talking Tiger sex

I don't believe that Tiger is much different from most of us, only in that he has had some of his affairs exposed. It is a habit, and one of the most destructive of any we can choose to engage in.

If its harmful why do you think its responsible for Christians to teach children homosexuality is evil?

For the same reason that you teach them that hurting other people is wrong. They are not their own. They are Christ's.

We were debating if its responsible to teach children homosexuality is evil... You said it was, now you have a new message. We're making progress

No, you misunderstand. Homosexuality is sinful. People are sinful. People are sinful because of the acts that they commit. The acts can be separated from the person. People commit sodomy, but they can also turn away from sodomy too.

[Wiglaf]

Asher and I were having a moment.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why do you ask retarded questions?

Because I already know the answer, Mr. Fun.

You chastise incivility, intolerance, rejection, and judgement.

Yet all are at times necessary to Christians. You are right that we are to love one another, but that does not mean unconditional acceptance. Sin is a truth and a reality that each one of us must deal with every day.

We are to flee from sin. We are not to accept sin. We have an obligation as Christians to confront sin. This may mean at times being incivil. It may mean at times rejecting others who are manifestely steeped in sin, such that they encourage others to join them. It means at times judging those who claim to represent Christ but lead others astray.

Mr. Fun, in a world without God, your way makes sense. In a world without hell it does too. But hell is real. People will die and be lost to eternal hellfire. Are we truly loving someone if we accept their sins and doom them to hell?

Yes, we are called to be hospitable. Yes, we are called to love others, but it is not all sunshine and rainbows, Mr. Fun. This is not heaven, and there's an awful lot of ugliness out there.

[Berzerker]

Somehow I don't see us impregnating women through an overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. The Annuciation is not fornication.

Do you see any contradiction with a God conceiving a kid with some other guy's wife and then telling us fornication and adultery are evil? You said, we aint God. But we have eyes, and intelligence, and hopefully a desire to reject hypocrisy...

Only if you reject the Virgin birth, which if you do, you have other problems as well.

Takes 2 to tango, Ben. Gods having children with women wasn't new.

Life is funny. You ask a question I asked myself a long time ago to a theology student, who was unable to answer.

It goes back to Matthew 19:4-6

Thats Jesus changing divorce laws, he's talking about people who are already married.

Again, in Corinthians:

1 Cor 6:16

So what is the solution?

Paul continues:

What word does Paul use here?

πορνείαν = Porneian = fornication.

τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

Flee from fornication: every other sin that a man commits is without the body, but he who commits fornication, sins against his own body.

I ask you to quote Jesus and you're quoting Paul? You know better than that. But whats that about a john being one with a prostitute? They aint married, yet they're one? Huh?

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit

And what did Jesus say about defiling this temple?

They don't teach what Christians teach about marriage, that a man is united to a woman in sex. Therefore their understanding of sexuality is not the same. They do not teach that two become one, which is crucial to Christian understanding.

Thats all debatable, and irrelevant. We aint talking about Muslim marriages, we're talking about a society that shuns "fornication" and the results.

Quite the opposite. It is so important that Christ set out the rules by which it ought to be expressed, in marriage only.

Where did Jesus say people should avoid intimacy until they're married?

According to whom? You? I've spoken to others who say differently, that they enjoy sexual satisfaction with their spouse, having only had sex with one another. They say it is awkward at first, but you learn and you get better with each other. Again, there are ways to discover sexual satisfaction without engaging in sex.

So you think its better not knowing if your intended spouse can satisfy your sexual needs? According to me, there have been countless failed marriages because of sexually incompatible couples and that many of these marriages could have been avoided. But thats according to me...

I'm not arguing with you here. Sex is an essential part of marriage. So much so that Paul confirms, that it is better to marry than to burn, with the understanding that if you do not burn for each other, do not marry.

And its better to marry already knowing the flame is burning strong.

Jesus says that sex is to be reserved for husband and wife only. As for slavery, he tells Christians, that they have a higher Master, in Christ, that men and women are fundamentally equal, and that they must all submit to Christ himself.

Again, it was the Christians who ended the slave trade. I do not doubt the moment this changes that things will revert to the way that they will, and perhaps your eyes will be uncovered. It's only the Christians, no one else.

So Jesus didn't condemn slavery and forbid it among his own people. But fornication? Yeah, thats evil stuff there Where did Jesus say fornication was evil again?

Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [a] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [b] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [c] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- Genesis 2:5

That was the Adam's job, to till the land. Work for God, including his Garden.

Anal intercourse.

It's pretty simple. Why do you find it difficult?

Should be obvious, there is no 1 definition. Some say oral sex is sodomy, the biblical story describes rape. Even a hand job might qualify, or...shall I go on and list a variety of sexual acts?

Per partner?

I dont know, some people marry their first and only sexual partner.

I don't believe that Tiger is much different from most of us, only in that he has had some of his affairs exposed. It is a habit, and one of the most destructive of any we can choose to engage in.

But he was committing adultery, and I dont believe most of us are serial cheaters.

For the same reason that you teach them that hurting other people is wrong. They are not their own. They are Christ's.

Why is it harmful to teach children that hurting other people is wrong?

No, you misunderstand. Homosexuality is sinful. People are sinful. People are sinful because of the acts that they commit. The acts can be separated from the person. People commit sodomy, but they can also turn away from sodomy too.

Thats a 3rd message now... What happened to "homosexuality is evil"? And Jesus equated desire with action, the thought of committing adultery is adultery.

But when did Adam and Eve get married? When God joined them together? Then why did God get mad when they had sex and conceived a kid? Or were they married after that? Take your time