Sex abuse scandal. Guess the religion?

[rah]

You're the only one making a connection between pedophiles and homosexuals, the rest of us know there is none. The subsets may intersect, but there is no direct connection.

[Asher]

Not yet. That's all I'm going to say about it at this point.

Are you applying to be a Priest after all the excitement you see is available?

[rah]

Not yet. That's all I'm going to say about it at this point.

Then Ming speculating that you might feel different if you had children is a valid point. I don't see how that is bringing your family into it since it doesn't exist yet.

Now if he said "what if it was your daughter Mary that was abused" then that would be bringing your family into it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not one bit... again, do some research or at least read some of the posts here. There is a big difference between being a homosexual and being a pedophile. Your ignorant assumptions just prove how stupid you really are.

I don't see why I'm ignorant for assuming that there are people who are attracted to both boys and men. I don't see why it's impossible for a homosexual to be a pedophile. That makes no sense to me. The gradations are not so fine.

True enough... however, just because a pedophile likes little boys doesn't make him a homosexual.

I'd argue otherwise.

Again, do some research before you open your mouth again and look even stupider.

I have. I disagree with the current 'theories' which have absolutely no connection with reality. It's all a whitewash.

This comment is just more proof that you are a bigot... Again, the only thing these pedophiles have in common is that they are priests... NOT homosexuals. The problem is that the PRIESTS are PEDOPHILES.
Deal with the pedophiles and you deal with the root of the problem.

Yet, it's one subset of priests that seem to consistantly have a problem. The seminaries recognise it which is why they screen these men out now. Why can't you?

Yeah... they only dealing with the problem 30 or more years too late... and after they could no longer hide it. They should have done the "hard things" a long time ago, but they didn't. They were acting as a support group for pedophiles while ignoring their flock... innocent children.

So you'd rather they do nothing at all?

The idiot is the one that ignores reality and defends the actions of the church when those actions were clearly wrong and evil.

I think I've been pretty clear about criticising the bishops who covered up their own actions. I'm not sure why you are having so much difficulty in assigning the blame where it lies, rather then tarring everyone with the same brush.

I'm placing the blame on the institution... which totally deserves it.

This is like saying that all black people are responsible for the detroit riots. Place the blame on those who are responsible not on all of us.

You have claimed that the leaders of the church didn't know... well what the hell is a bishop, a low level priest. NO, they are leaders of the church... THEY KNEW, and many covered it up. And not just those were doing it themselves.

True, but they are not the highest authority. You cannot gage the entire church by the actions of even one bishop out of several thousand.

Again... just making crap up... using your idiotic opinions to make bad assumptions. Again... I think those that are trying to get to the truth and bring the story to the attention of their readers is doing more to protect future children than those that are trying in vain to defend the church's actions.
Ignoring what the church did is putting future children at risk.

I'm pretty sure I'm right over the target because I'm catching flak here.

Gee... and there are still more stories coming out every day... this has been going on for years, and it's time that all the facts come out and that it stops. The church can not continue being a support group for pedohiles.

And it hasn't been for a long time now. Question you should be asking yourself is why is this coming out now? Who serves to benefit from it?

Gee... the abuse hotline is just one example of many that there has been a pattern over the years that priests have been abusing children that they were enrusted too, and the church was covering it up.

So you don't believe in innocence until proven guilty? False witness is an issue too. Just because calls are made in no way indicates that anything has in fact been done.

His actions are a day late and a dollar short. Now that's all out in the open, he does the right thing.
Tell that to the children that got abused because of the lack of action by the entire church.

A man can only do what is right by that which they are assigned. Benedict is doing what he can. Why don't you side alongside him so that we can get rid of these bishops rather then attacking him for doing his job? You are right that it would have been better if it were attacked 40 years ago, but I cannot blame the prelates for the situation they have found themselves in by the seeds planted by others. You harvest the garden you are given. That there were evil planters is the fault of the planters from before, not the harvesters from today, even though the harvesters bear the consequences.

You are the one with no class.... read my other post in response to your lame attempt to blame me for bringing your family into it. I will continue to attack you, because it's so easy with the stupid stuff you post. I've never attacked your family, and have no need to. You are big enough target on your own.

You brought up my family Ming. I'd like an apology from you please. I don't care what you said about me, but I do care about them a great deal.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then Ming speculating that you might feel different if you had children is a valid point. I don't see how that is bringing your family into it since it doesn't exist yet.

Assumptions make an ass of you. Back off rah.

Now if he said "what if it was your daughter Mary that was abused" then that would be bringing your family into it.

That you are making excuses tells me everything I need to know.

[rah]

That's why I asked if you children first. It isn't an assumption, if you just told me.

[giblets]

I don't see why I'm ignorant for assuming that there are people who are attracted to both boys and men. I don't see why it's impossible for a homosexual to be a pedophile. That makes no sense to me. The gradations are not so fine.

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[Asher]

It continues.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/792436--newfoundland-resident-claims-raymond-lahey-abused-him-in-the-1980s?bn=1

Newfoundland resident claims Raymond Lahey abused him in the 1980s

ST. JOHN’S, N.L.—A bishop facing child pornography charges in Ontario is being accused in a lawsuit of sexually abusing a former resident of Mount Cashel orphanage in St. John’s, N.L.

A statement of claim filed in the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador accuses Raymond Lahey of simulated anal intercourse and fondling.

The civil lawsuit has been filed by a man who says he was a young boy in 1982 when he first met Lahey, who was a pastoral priest, at the Mount Cashel orphanage.

None of the allegations made in the statement of claim have been proven in court, and a lawyer representing Lahey on child pornography charges declined comment through his office.

In the suit, it is alleged that Lahey took the boy on fishing trips and other outings where abuse occurred over the next four years.

Lahey resigned as head of the Catholic diocese of Antigonish, N.S., before he was charged in September with possession of child pornography after border agents examined his laptop at the Ottawa airport.

Lahey and the Catholic Archdiocese of St. John’s are named as defendants in the suit, which seeks damages for pain and mental suffering.

Statements of defence have not been submitted and a spokesman for the archdiocese could not be reached for comment.

[giblets]

I had no idea the Toronto Star was bigoted against Catholics. The persecution continues.

[Ming]

BK... you just get supider day by day...

Saying that if you had children you would feel differently isn't an attack on your family.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE CHILDREN you moron. (You have claimed that in the past in these forums)

Talk about lack of class... you again try to direct that action else where.
If anything, you are the one that should apologize for accusing me of something that I didn't do. Like usual, you just make crap up....

[Ming]

I don't see why I'm ignorant for assuming that there are people who are attracted to both boys and men. I don't see why it's impossible for a homosexual to be a pedophile. That makes no sense to me. The gradations are not so fine.

You are the one trying to make it so fine... when it totally isn't. This type of reasoning from you just further highlights what a total idiot and bigot you are.

I have. I disagree with the current 'theories' which have absolutely no connection with reality. It's all a whitewash.

As usual, you disagree with experts because they don't agree with your stupid and ignorant views.

Yet, it's one subset of priests that seem to consistantly have a problem. The seminaries recognise it which is why they screen these men out now. Why can't you?

Well they did a bad job of doing that in the past, and who knows if they have gotten any better at.
But remember, half of this discussion is not just about the pedophiles, but about the institution that continued to cover it up for years, leaving their flocks vulnerable to more attacks by supposed holy men.

So you'd rather they do nothing at all?

I'd rather they come totally clean on the subject... and give every penny they can to all the victims in an effort to make up for the harm they inflicted.

I think I've been pretty clear about criticising the bishops who covered up their own actions. I'm not sure why you are having so much difficulty in assigning the blame where it lies, rather then tarring everyone with the same brush.

If it was just one or two bishops/priests/who ever, I might agree with you. But this goes beyond that.
They attempted to keep this secret way too long... and more kids suffered because of it. The Institution is accountable for this.

This is like saying that all black people are responsible for the detroit riots. Place the blame on those who are responsible not on all of us.

A response only a true bigot would make... showing once again you really don't have a clue about the totality of the situation. Again, we aren't talking about a "single" event.

True, but they are not the highest authority. You cannot gage the entire church by the actions of even one bishop out of several thousand.

Yeah... but you sure can judge them by the acts of MANY.

I'm pretty sure I'm right over the target because I'm catching flak here.

You are catching flak because your opinion is moronic and stupid...

And it hasn't been for a long time now. Question you should be asking yourself is why is this coming out now? Who serves to benefit from it?

All the victims... you know, the people we should be caring about in this. What, you want to keep it all a secret still?

So you don't believe in innocence until proven guilty? False witness is an issue too. Just because calls are made in no way indicates that anything has in fact been done.

Again... the calls are just one part of all the accusations... are you trying to say they are all innocent? There are so many complaints it isn't even funny. There is so much smoke that the entire building is burning down.

A man can only do what is right by that which they are assigned. Benedict is doing what he can. Why don't you side alongside him so that we can get rid of these bishops rather then attacking him for doing his job? You are right that it would have been better if it were attacked 40 years ago, but I cannot blame the prelates for the situation they have found themselves in by the seeds planted by others. You harvest the garden you are given. That there were evil planters is the fault of the planters from before, not the harvesters from today, even though the harvesters bear the consequences.

They made this situation, so yes, I can blame them for it. Your discussion about planters is simply funny. The garden was rotten because of their actions... and children suffered for their lack of action.

You brought up my family Ming. I'd like an apology from you please. I don't care what you said about me, but I do care about them a great deal.

You owe me an apology for false accusations...

[Ben Kenobi]

You're the only one making a connection between pedophiles and homosexuals, the rest of us know there is none. The subsets may intersect, but there is no direct connection.

So if everyone knows that the earth is fixed and does not move, that means it's correct?

[Ben Kenobi]

That's why I asked if you children first. It isn't an assumption, if you just told me.

That's not what I said. But go ahead, believe whatever you want to believe. I ain't gonna stop you.

[Ben Kenobi]

Saying that if you had children you would feel differently isn't an attack on your family.

Making that the crux of your argument is terribly silly.

I've never been to Moscow either. Is my uncle in kiev?

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE CHILDREN you moron. (You have claimed that in the past in these forums)

The past is the past ming. Don't you think it might be wise to not use arguments that are based on family composition?

[Asher]

Ben, do us a favour and photoshop a "FREE CANDY" sign on to your photo and post it in this thread.