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Who's the CEO in your analogy? The bishop? The Pope?
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Uhmn, can the CEO be anything else but the pope ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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See Cort, that's where you and BK differ. He believes that it is solely up to the Vatican, that police have no jurisdiction over Catholic priests.Originally posted by Cort Haus View Post"I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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OK, but I explained earlier in the thread that this is nothing like the way the church is actually managed. If any analogy with business is apt, it would be more like the Pope as a non-managing investor in each local company, with special rights to name the CEO of the local company for fixed lengths of service.
Edit: It might be helpful to consider that the church is built to thrive with very little communication or direction from the Pope. Sometimes nowadays it's tough to imagine eras when travel times to Rome were months, years, or when travel was plain non-existent. Any business would have long since ceased operations because of the absence of management.Last edited by DanS; April 3, 2010, 00:05.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sorry that I have missed that, but honestly think that is pure BS. The pope is in no way a non-managing "investor" - quite contrary - he is the boss that is in charge of all RCC activities. I'm not an expert, but unlesse I 'm wrong, then the pope is gods substitute on earth, so that should give him full responsibility for the actions of his employees.Originally posted by DanS View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Yes, you are wrong. I can try to give you more details, if you wish.I'm not an expert, but unlesse I 'm wrongI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Historically that has been the case, and the reason for it is that there has been considerable hostility between the Church and the Roman authorities, and then later between certain countries *cough*England*cough* and the Church.He believes that it is solely up to the Vatican, that police have no jurisdiction over Catholic priests.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I expect you to never use the media as a source then, since you don't trust them.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I don't. I trust the statements from the people who were actually there. Thanks to folks I know I have access to them.
The question you should be asking is if a hick from the sticks like me can actually obtain a statement without too much difficulty, why is this so hard for the reporters of the New York Times?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Like Jesus?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Maybe because the journalist isn't as gullible as you - yeah, they probably have got the same, but considered it untrustworthyOriginally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by DanS View Post
- not nessecary. Though, there is that little point about the pope being infallible - that sound a bit divine.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Sure, there was a time when the church had enough power to deny other institutions to interfere in their internals, but that isn't the case today. Priests outside the vatican is now mere subjects of the state they are living in and have to obey the rules of that particular state.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
About the english, you don't have to cough. They became tired of the catholic influence and kicked them out - that is standard powerplay and makes perfectly sense.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Yeh, he's infallible when he's promulgating a dogmatic teaching on faith and morals. When he's taking a dump, he's not infallible.Originally posted by BlackCat View Post - not nessecary. Though, there is that little point about the pope being infallible - that sound a bit divine.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS View Post
Uhmn, doesn't that include handling of children ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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