Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?

[Asher]

The real thread continued here, before Lori derailed it with his machopowers:

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5707832

[MOBIUS]

Oh, sorry didn't see your post, Lori.

[Lorizael]

Dude, a lot of funny posts got killed.

Lori, killjoy.

I know. I kind of feel bad about it. But hey, that's what you get for derailing a thread.

[Asher]

I was particularly proud of that pun. I'm not usually pun-tastic.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not all men want to be in that position either but that doesn't mean none should be. The same for women. The second part of that is so sexist I refuse to comment on it.

I was an Anglican, rah. That is what happened where I used to attend over the years. Feel free to attack my observations, but those were my experiences. Perhaps they aren't universal, but the observations aren't sexist at all. They are facts.

What, you think all men priest do it perfectly or like it? Again more sexist garbage.

No, just my observations. I don't seen what's so 'sexist' about saying that the women tended to be more touchy-feely.

Because you personally feel that they have failed you're against them ever being priests. What a load of crap.

I left because they walked away from Christ's teachings even more so. It's been a consistant pattern in other denominations also.

[Asher]

observations aren't sexist at all. They are facts.

It's called "observation bias", you dolt.

No, just my observations. I don't seen what's so 'sexist' about saying that the women tended to be more touchy-feely.

"I don't see what's racist about saying black guys tend to be poor and mug old white ladies, and also tend not to be very smart. "

[loinburger]

Observations clouded by bias are not facts.

Edit: x-post

[Ben Kenobi]

I find your position that women should be fired from teaching jobs and prohibited from any kind of leadership role in the church to be just another example.

Abbess is not a 'leadership role' in the church?

As for teaching I said that the ban only includes men, not children. There are plenty of catholic schools, with women teachers, and I think that's a wonderful thing.

You are a terrific example of why the Catholic church is dying. Godspeed.

Growing quite a bit faster than the Anglicans and the United church for that matter. Gee, maybe they are doing something right.

[Ben Kenobi]

Observations clouded by bias are not facts.

Neither are bald-faced assertions. I've yet to see one cogent counter-argument other than hurling 'sexist'.

You know, I used to be on your side. All you are doing here is convincing me that I'm right.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't see what's racist about saying black guys tend to be poor and mug old white ladies, and also tend not to be very smart.

So it would be racist to say that black people are disproportionately likely to commit crimes here in Canada?

[loinburger]

Neither are bald-faced assertions. I've yet to see one cogent counter-argument other than hurling 'sexist'.

Saying that women should be treated as inferior to men because of your observations that they are too touchy-feely is pretty much the textbook definition of sexism. Your arguments don't merit any further rebuttal.

You know, I used to be on your side. All you are doing here is convincing me that I'm right.

So now you think you're 99.9999% right rather than 99.9998% right

So it would be racist to say that black people are disproportionately likely to commit crimes here in Canada?

Ah, I wasn't aware that your "women are touchy-feely" label was supported by demographic research.

[Asher]

This observations = fact thing is fun.

Catholics are either closeted homosexuals (who are actually powerbottoms in bed with a penchant for S&M), or outright pedophiles. The ones who are virgins past the age of 20 are terrified of this fact, and will stay virgins for life. The people I know who switched from being Anglican to Catholic owned massive dildo collections, and used them ALL AT ONCE.

These are facts. Sorry.

[rah]

SO if I see one or two examples of a negative stereotype, I can claim the stereotype true and use it to trash a whole group of people, because "It's based on my observation."

I saw a couple of Mexicans taking a siesta the other day so therefore all Mexicans are lazy.

WHAT A CROCK. Just admit you're a sexist pig.

Ok, I was a little busy and didn't respond to this crap fast enough.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ah, I wasn't aware that your "women are touchy-feely" label was supported by demographic research.

It's only sexist if you consider that to be a bad thing. I don't, I just don't want that in my priest.

You're welcome to think otherwise, and there are plenty of churches that teach that men and women are interchangeable parts.

Arguing that men and women are fundamentally different from each other is not 'sexist' and is supported by plenty of research.

[Lorizael]

On topic. We're going to stay on topic. No personal attacks.