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  • "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and Obama Administration

    October 23, 2009
    Obama Administration Aggressively Defends “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in Court

    UNUSUAL MOVE GOES BEYOND GOVERNMENT'S "DUTY TO DEFEND"

    (Los Angeles, CA) - In a move consistent with other contradictory behavior on LGBT issues, the Obama administration has directed its Justice Department to file an extraordinary motion to get Log Cabin Republicans' lawsuit against the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law thrown out of court, despite a federal judge's ruling that it can proceed. The 11th-hour move for interlocutory appeal, which seeks to stay proceedings and block discovery, was surprisingly formulated at the same time that President Obama was reassuring LGBT activists that he still firmly opposes the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law at the Human Rights Campaign's annual dinner earlier this month in Washington, DC.

    "After President Obama clearly stated that his highest priority for the LGBT community was to repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell', it is quite troubling to see this 'about face,'" said Terry W. Hamilton, national Chairman of the Log Cabin Republicans. "This aggressive move by President Obama's Justice Department seriously undermines not only his commitment to our community and to the defense of our nation, but it also casts doubt on the motives of those at the highest levels of LGBT leadership in Washington who refuse to criticize the President over this double speak."

    The case in question, Log Cabin Republicans vs. the United States of America, is the first direct challenge to the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law filed in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas. It is also the only contemporary legal challenge to this law to succeed at the district court level. One of the injured parties named in the case, Alexander Nicholson, is a former U.S. Army Human Intelligence Collector who speaks multiple languages, including Arabic, and who was fired because of the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law just six months after 9/11. Another injured party in the case, listed simply as 'John Doe' currently serves in the Armed Forces and would face a discharge if his identity were revealed.

    "These continued obstructions launched by the Obama Justice Department are as insulting to the LGBT community as they are a serious threat to our military readiness," remarked Log Cabin Republicans spokesman Charles T. Moran. "The constant delay tactics and attempts to have this case hurriedly dismissed without any discovery or argument would be a disservice to all those who have been involuntarily and abruptly fired under this law."

    District Court Judge Virginia Phillips of the Central District Court of California will consider the defendant's motion on November 16th, 2009. The law firm of White & Case LLP has been representing Log Cabin Republicans since the case was initially filed over 4 ½ years ago.
    What the ****?

    Seriously - wasn't it only several days ago that Obama spewed out sentiments of support for gays and lesbians at Human Rights Campaign event?
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    I don't really know how this goes beyond a duty to defend.
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    • #3
      Obama.

      Backstabbing your captive base.
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      • #4
        I think the democrats are getting to where they hate Obama more than the republicans.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          Backstabbing your captive base.
          Still waiting for the Republicans to outlaw abortion?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
            I think the democrats are getting to where they hate Obama more than the republicans.
            Obama would have to do far worse.
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            • #7
              This debate is getting stale and moving in directions people don't think it will go. Obama needs to keep his brown nose (no pun intended) out of military affairs such as this.

              From a soldier point of view, which no politician or civilian ever considers, realize the ramifications of changing DADT. To start, you have combat arms that are secluded to men only...now openly allow gay men...now look at Chandra over here, a **** to the highest degree that dresses and acts as a guy and even refers to herself as himself and Chancy...now Floyd, our gay guy, can serve as an infantryman because he has a sack...but Chancy can't, even though she has more balls than Floyd does. Is that right?

              Now we have Tucker and Benning, 2 straight single guys brand new to the service. They arrive at their first duty station and realize quickly that married folks have it so much better what with the benefits, the HOUSE, the extra PAY, the no GI PARTIES. So Tucker and Benning devise a plan, get married. Can't ask them to prove their gay, can't even say anything about it if its legal. So these 2 are in a service that says yes to LGBT and allows their marriage (even in a state against the marriage? Another debate.) so they get a house, extra pay, benefits...they are known to friends to not be gay, they are even known to several non friends to not be gay, but what can higher ups really do? Maybe these 2 are willing to go the extra mile and make out in front of some just to keep the rouse going. They are now defrauding the government, but honestly at what point is it for anyone to say they really arent just open minded lovers who are both bisexual and were smart? (Do I endorse such actions NO, but is it smart...yea).

              Then we got barracks. Single barracks are usually segregated by men and women, sometimes floors sometimes entire buildings. Now we have LGBT all allowed in. You have gay men with straight men lesbians with straight girls...are these straights all ok with this? From my experience, **** no. So you cant segregate them because thats racist and what not...so whats the next option? Order straights to live with gays? No that causes morale problems and cohesion problems, even though cohesion at this point is out the window. Put gays in their own billets? Nope cant do that. Put gays together...wait nope cant do that. So it comes back around to either go completely coed (never gonna happen) or force acceptance on some people who just are not ok with LGBT's.

              Well I could go on, but honestly what do any of you care? What Obama wanted before, but moved away from and I can bet he will go back to is to force acceptance to military personnel. Now I served with gays and lesbians (friends and colleagues) and I never had a problem with any of them, I also never walked into my own barracks room to my roommate pounding on another guy (yea imagine a drunk infantryman finding his roommate and neighbor together and what happens after that), and I never had a problem with them. But mind you that is because my gay and lesbian friends kept their lifes quiet except for some who knew, were married to either another gay of the opposite sex or straight of the opposite sex so someone could get benefits *all cases I know of were to a civilian so they had medical and a house*.

              It creates so much more problems than we already have, Obama and you civis don't realize all of this. What you see is accept them and let them serve. I get it, trust me I do because I support them being accepted as well. BUT don't forget that there is still a an ass ton of people who DO NOT and that creates problems. There are still bastards who would defraud the government for their own gain. There are still no women in combat arms jobs. Co-ed barracks do not really exist (i mean men rooming with women).

              Not to mention....showers...at basic it was 3 guys at once. yea we were tired and dirty and didnt take time in there, just in and out (car wash style)....but some guys still think that because Joe is gay that he MUST want to look at every guy around him. can't say that isn't something that could happen, but its something else to consider.

              In conclusion, for anyone left reading, honestly the president needs to let go of this and people need to give it more time before changing the military policy. I would say quit dishonorable discharging people for coming out, but thats as far as i will go. Until all 50 states allow gay marriage then the US military does not need to conform. Until women can serve in combat arms (I also support this, even being a combat arms veteran myself) then the US military does not need to conform....wait conform is the wrong word, change is a better word. Conform would mean that everyone already accepts gays, and as we know that isnt true.

              Think about all this you civilian nitwits, not every perspective is from your eyes. Soldiers are the ones serving, not you guys.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                I don't really know how this goes beyond a duty to defend.
                Repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is all about duty to defend by increasing the human resources available for our military.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                  Repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is all about duty to defend by increasing the human resources available for our military.


                  No way that's intentional.
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                  • #10
                    We get it Mr. Fun, you're gay. How special you are.
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                    • #11
                      We need something more interesting, like a NAMBLA advocate. I nominate BK. Or perhaps OzzyKP.
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                      • #12
                        Naw, I think the most persecuted minority in the army is the highly educated, no experienced ******* whitey officers. No other groups has such a high percentage of gunshots wounds from the rear. And If I'm in the service, I know what I'd rather take in the rear.
                        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Solomwi View Post
                          Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                          Repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is all about duty to defend by increasing the human resources available for our military.


                          No way that's intentional.

                          Just in case it is, he's supposed to be talking about the duty to defend against this litigation, not military defense, right? I couldn't be arsed to read the OP.
                          Unbelievable!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rah View Post
                            Naw, I think the most persecuted minority in the army is the highly educated, no experienced ******* whitey officers. No other groups has such a high percentage of gunshots wounds from the rear. And If I'm in the service, I know what I'd rather take in the rear.
                            When I worked for the air force research lab as a civil servant we (the officers and the civil servants) went to a Commander's Call where either a full bird colonel or a 1-star general (I think this one was a colonel) talked about whatever the hell they were going to talk about and then asked the audience if they had any questions or concerns. Some young kid stands up and says "I've been a 2nd lieutenant for over a month and I haven't done anything interesting yet what's the deal!" and the commander pretty much told him to shut the **** up and that maybe he'd do something interesting when he wasn't so friggin incompetent "and don't protest that you actually do know what you're doing because that's a lie, you're a 2nd lt. for crissakes."

                            On an unrelated note, it was a running joke that the 2nd lieutenants had nicer cars than the majors and lieutenant colonels.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                              Just in case it is, he's supposed to be talking about the duty to defend against this litigation, not military defense, right? I couldn't be arsed to read the OP.
                              Right. That's why I'm so confident it's unintentional.
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