A Music Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

Did you see the rest of my post? They're apparently Dame Dash's favorite group.

[Asher]

The Black Keys

[Asher]

The Killers sampled David Bowie's Queen ***** on their song, Mr. Brightside:
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/vie...Queen%20B****/

No, they didn't.

That site is just someone saying they sound similar. And I don't agree.

The Black Keys sampled rap group Spoonie Gee and the Treacherous Three (although since the Black Keys song is with Mos Def, I guess you'll say something):
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/vie...ee-Love%20Rap/

Yeah, no **** I'll say something? That's 'cause it's Mos Def ****ing "sampling". You just proved my point.

Florence & the Machine's sampled:

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/39975/Florence%20%26%20the%20Machine-Rabbit%20Heart%20(Raise%20It%20Up)_Gang%20Gang%20Dance-House%20Jam/

No, they didn't. They used one phrase from the song ("how quickly the glamour fades"), but they didn't sample -- it's sung by the singer as part of her song and the melody differs slightly also.

As for Broken Bells... Danger Mouse samples aplenty.

What did he sample as part of Broken Bells?

The reason why he did Broken Bells was so he was working with an actual musician who writes actual music (and is terrific with hooks), so he didn't have to sample. Surprise surprise, the music is stellar compared to most of his work.

[Al B. Sure!]

The Killers sampled David Bowie's Queen ***** on their song, Mr. Brightside:

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/57224/The%20Killers-Mr.%20Brightside_David%20Bowie-Queen%20B****/

The Black Keys sampled rap group Spoonie Gee and the Treacherous Three (although since the Black Keys song is with Mos Def, I guess you'll say something):

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/21543/The%20Black%20Keys%20feat.%20Mos%20Def-On%20the%20Vista_Spoonie%20Gee%20and%20The%20Treacherous%20Three-Love%20Rap/

Florence & the Machine's sampled:

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/39975/Florence%20%26%20the%20Machine-Rabbit%20Heart%20(Raise%20It%20Up)_Gang%20Gang%20Dance-House%20Jam/

As for Broken Bells... Danger Mouse samples aplenty.


Now, granted, guys who play instruments obviously aren't going to sample very much but it's still being done. If we were to look at some pure singers, we'd see much more sampling.


Oh and The Killers and Broken Bells

As for the Black Keys, this song is alright with Mos Def and Jim Jones:


more rockers with hip hop credibility

Damon Dash is officially back in the music business. XXLMag.com has learned that the Roc-A-Fella co-founder has formed his own, new independent label to release a rap/rock album between The Black Keys and a slew of hip-hop artists, including Mos Def, Jim Jones, Q-Tip, Ludacris and more.

XXL had the chance to chop it up with Dash earlier today about the new venture and how it came into play. “My assistants, who are now actually A&Rs, were going to a Black Keys concert for their birthday and I wasn’t invited,” he explained. “Usually on their birthdays we all do it together and the reason why I wasn’t invited was because the concert was sold out . And I had never heard of The Black Keys and I was like y’all still gonna go without me. And they was like ‘Yo it’s The Black Keys.” So I was like, lemme hear this group. So I start listening to them and they actually became my favorite group. They were on heavy rotation so we just reached out and we kicked it with them and I was like, ‘I wonder what would happen if we got Jim Jones and the Keys in the studio’ and Jim came in and all of a sudden Mos came in and then [it] just built from there. “

The album, titled Blak Roc, also features appearances by Raekwon, RZA, Billy Danze of M.O.P., Pharoahe Monch and Ol’ Dirty Bastard, among others. Set for a release on the day after Thanksgiving, otherwise known as Black Friday in the world of retail, the disc will be on a new label started by Dash and the Keys.

“We had a good rapport with one another,” he said. “And I like the way they do their business and they kind of like the way I do mine and it just turned into this project. “

When asked what made him return to the music business after all these years, Dash said it was all about the love. “The Black Keys are about real music and all these other people that came through are really good at what they do,” he told XXL. “And it was more for love really. We didn’t know what it was gonna be, we just knew that we just liked making music. And that’s really what it’s about at this point. At least after being in the game this long you don’t wana just be doing it for money that becomes obvious…If I was to be a part of anything, it would have to be something like this.

[Thoth]

Holy hell, but I'd like to **** that fiddle player.

[Asher]

Say some names. Give me 10 artists and I'll see if and what they've sampled. Famous artists. Nothing obscure.

How do you define obscure?

Random sampling of my recent playlist:

The Killers
The National
The Black Keys
MGMT
Florence & the Machine
XX
Arcade Fire
Broken Bells (The Shins)

[Al B. Sure!]

Sampled? I very much doubt it.

Covered? Yes.

Say some names. Give me 10 artists and I'll see if and what they've sampled. Famous artists. Nothing obscure.

[Asher]

Sampled? I very much doubt it.

Covered? Yes.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sampling is nothing new and isn't done only in the hip hop community. Say some artists you like, Asher, and I bet they've sampled before.

[Asher]

I just have a beef with the music that's being manufactured, rather than made. Hip-hop and pop are the worst for this.

In hip-hop, you get some rapper to rap rhyming words about a subject and intersperse it with a stolen hook from an actual musician.
In pop music, they get some beautiful person, get them to sing a song a team of 40-50 year old musicians wrote via formula, autotune the **** out of it and release it.

It's not music from the heart.

[Thoth]

Rappers don't have to be musicians

Sig material.

[Asher]

Rappers don't have to be musicians any more than singers are musicians! Not everyone has to play a piano or a guitar. I don't recall seeing Sinatra playing a guitar! Many rappers do have musical talent though, for your information.

Which ones do?

And musicians need not need to play instruments. They can understand music -- write it for others, for instance, they need not play it. And I don't think a lot of singers are real musicians if all they do is sing other peoples' music. They become instruments themselves.

[Al B. Sure!]

It doesn't even matter if he wrote the hook for that then wrote a Maroon 5 song around it later.

The point is the rappers themselves are inept musicians. They rely on the strength of others to add music to make the song bearable. The rapping inbetween the hooks is just like filler.

Rappers don't have to be musicians any more than singers are musicians! Not everyone has to play a piano or a guitar. I don't recall seeing Sinatra playing a guitar! Many rappers do have musical talent though, for your information.

Here's a rapper playing a guitar:

[Thoth]

It wasn't a sample. Adam Levine wrote that hook specifically for the Kanye West song. He then expanded it into his own song with Maroon 5. I suppose also, you'll say since the music is from Natalie Cole that only shows more unoriginality

Rap, more than any other genre, is about taking what came before, digging through the crates, and re-invigorating new life into great, often forgotten, old songs. There's nothing wrong with that.

Whut?


Recycling other people's creative work is "good"? WTF?

"Rap, more than any other genre is about taking original work pasting on some rubbish and rebranding it as original"

As if I didn't need another reason to dislike the genre. Whooboy.

[Asher]

It wasn't a sample. Adam Levine wrote that hook specifically for the Kanye West song. He then expanded it into his own song with Maroon 5. I suppose also, you'll say since the music is from Natalie Cole that only shows more unoriginality

It doesn't even matter if he wrote the hook for that then wrote a Maroon 5 song around it later.

The point is the rappers themselves are inept musicians. They rely on the strength of others to add music to make the song bearable. The rapping inbetween the hooks is just like filler.