A Music Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

It's just another example of the unoriginality in the hip-hop scene. The hooks are the hardest part of the song to write, and instead of writing their own, they "sample" excellent hooks from actual musicians...then rap around it.

It wasn't a sample. Adam Levine wrote that hook specifically for the Kanye West song. He then expanded it into his own song with Maroon 5. I suppose also, you'll say since the music is from Natalie Cole that only shows more unoriginality

Rap, more than any other genre, is about taking what came before, digging through the crates, and re-invigorating new life into great, often forgotten, old songs. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Asher]

For use on hooks, Chris Martin's singing works well. Do you think he sounds at all out of place on Kanye's Homcoming I just posted?


Or Kanye and Adam Levine?

It's just another example of the unoriginality in the hip-hop scene. The hooks are the hardest part of the song to write, and instead of writing their own, they "sample" excellent hooks from actual musicians...then rap around it.

[Thoth]

A couple more in a vain attempt to edjumucate the daft Yank.

[Al B. Sure!]

What stylistic similarities?

Coldplay songs are melody-driven, hip-hop tends to be beat-driven.

For use on hooks, Chris Martin's singing works well. Do you think he sounds at all out of place on Kanye's Homcoming I just posted?


Or Kanye and Adam Levine?




Now that came out of, Natalie Cole's:


And Adam Levine liked his hook he made for Kanye that he decided to make a full-length song:


Kind of cool to see the evolution of a song, especially through three different genres of music.

[Al B. Sure!]

And Phil Collins is one of the most sampled artists by hip hop producers... but it's not just a case of sampling. He has taken his time to work with rappers:

[Asher]

What stylistic similarities?

Coldplay songs are melody-driven, hip-hop tends to be beat-driven.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm just curious, how do Coldplay, Maroon 5, or Jack Johnson have hip hop cred?

Coldplay are a bunch of Oxford-educated, melodic-piano pop brit-rock -- how much farther could you get from hip hop?

Some stylistic similarities and the fact that they do songs with rappers. Oxford-educated means nothing. I've posted earlier rappers who are Harvard and UPenn grads.

Plus, they're rockers who can actually sing and not scream into the microphone so that helps.

Kanye with Chris Martin:




Coldplay gets play on Rap and RnB stations in Philly at least so there's that as well. Viva La Vida was played all the time on rap stations.

[Al B. Sure!]

The fantastic Raphael Saadiq of Tony! Toni! Tone! with some music taking it way back:

[Asher]

I've said it before... the rockers I like are probably all the rockers with hip hop credibility like Coldplay, Maroon 5, Jack Johnson, or older ones like Phil Collins or Queen. So what? Does that diminish their music?

I'm just curious, how do Coldplay, Maroon 5, or Jack Johnson have hip hop cred?

Coldplay are a bunch of Oxford-educated, melodic-piano pop brit-rock -- how much farther could you get from hip hop?

[Thoth]

Yeah you try to act all high and mighty but your logic is flawed. Sloww would prefer my music to yours and my music has more variety than your constant 80's punk rock crap.

(reposted to make a point.)

[Al B. Sure!]

bahaba

Yeah you try to act all high and mighty but your logic is flawed. Sloww would prefer my music to yours and my music has more variety than your constant 80's punk rock crap.

[Thoth]

"hip hop credibility"

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

[Al B. Sure!]

BTW, do you only like Coldplay because Jay-Z does?

I've said it before... the rockers I like are probably all the rockers with hip hop credibility like Coldplay, Maroon 5, Jack Johnson, or older ones like Phil Collins or Queen. So what? Does that diminish their music?

[Thoth]

No. I don't understand. I've posted music in this thread from over the past 70 years. It all sounds the same to you? Granted, there's been a constant building up on top of predecessors but the variety is still there, even despite the gradual evolution from blues and doo wop through to today's rappers as epitomized:

[Asher]

No. I don't understand. I've posted music in this thread from over the past 70 years. It all sounds the same to you?

BTW, do you only like Coldplay because Jay-Z does?