A Music Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

Or this one... Guru with Chaka Khan and jazz legend Branford Marsalis?

[Al B. Sure!]

do you have any thoughts on Guru's jazz rap? Such as the first one with Jazz trumpeter Donald Byrd?

[C0ckney]

But some producers take samples and create something new with it. Here Amon Tobin takes a Mussorgsky sample and creates something new with it

awesome stuff. hadn't heard that before.

albert, what? i've posted hip-hop before, there's some i really enjoy. that whole album for example is gold. don't let your tiny brain overheat stressing about it.

jazz crossovers always interest me, i'll take a listen to your stuff tomorrow.

talking of jazz crossovers, here's a couple of tracks from berlin based act jazzsteppa...



jazzsteppa - america b



jazzsteppa - big swing sound



jazzsteppa - two

[Thoth]

[Al B. Sure!]

yay! been waiting for years for someone to put this up

What the ****? You just put up rap! YOU MAKE NO ****ING SENSE!

Here's some Jazzmatazz from the late Guru:


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Guru made 4 Jazzmatazz albums:

The first one:

This album is one of the first albums to combine a live jazz band with hip hop production and rapping. It is the first such project to feature established rappers. Live backing is provided by a band that includes Lonnie Liston Smith, Branford Marsalis, Ronny Jordan, Donald Byrd and Roy Ayers. The album also features collaborations with N'Dea Davenport (of the Brand New Heavies) and French rapper MC Solaar.

[Al B. Sure!]

Here, Asher... rappers with bands:






And I showed Lauryn Hill plays the guitar, Wyclef does as well:

[Al B. Sure!]

Have they considered writing their own music instead of 'sampling'?

Is your beef with rappers or with DJ's/Producers?

[ZEE]

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[Asher]

Have they considered writing their own music instead of 'sampling'?

[Al B. Sure!]

Read my last sentence.

And I never said that all or most hip hip producers steal songs and rap over it. That's why I inserted the clip about DJ Shadow.

None of that was in your original unedited post that I responded to. You edited it a full 20 minutes AFTER I responded.

Most don't 'steal'. Sample clearing is a big deal for retail hip hop releases. Songs often have to be re-done or not put on albums because samples didn't clear.

[Nostromo]

Read my last sentence.

And I never said that all or most hip hip producers steal songs and rap over it. That's why I inserted the clip about DJ Shadow.

[Al B. Sure!]

But I guess no one cares that Whitesnake 'stole' Bobby Bland's song as well. Oh, I know. Because rockers singing the same song is CREATIVE but rappers coming up with new lyrics is not

[Nostromo]

asher, there's nothing wrong with sampling. there is something brilliant and very creative in taking the work of someone else and taking it in a completely different direction. of course a lot of it is done badly, and in a boring and unoriginal way. see for example a lot of the stuff that albert posts, but anything can be done badly and it doesn't invalidate the work of people doing it well. avio posted a track by an australian band called the avalanches a couple of pages back, they did a whole album (called since i left you) which was pretty much all sampled. it was a work of genius, although there was no follow up, because the band made no money (due to sampling fees, not lack of sales).

Exactly. Here's an example of poor use of sampling. Jay-Z sampling the whole song and rapping over it.





But some producers take samples and create something new with it. Here Amon Tobin takes a Mussorgsky sample and creates something new with it



DJ Shadow on the art of digging:



And I believe there's sampling of sorts in non electronic music. People copy each other all the time. Sometimes its conscious, sometimes its not. You hear something you like in someone else's song and you put in one of yours. For example, there's a Kraftwerk motif in a Coldplay song. I believe they asked Kraftwerk's permission for doing so.

[C0ckney]

throbbing gristle - hot on the heels of love



throbbing gristle - six six sixties

[C0ckney]

yay! been waiting for years for someone to put this up



the herbaliser feat. what what - new & improved

and now for something completely different...



e craig - dutch drum attack (mr bishi remix)