President caves in completely

[zakubandit]

You obviously never saw or heard a Hitler speech.

Thanks Theben, I guess I must have watch the other Hitler Nazi speeches and marches in my Holocaust class in high school. Or maybe I missed the real speeches in my history classes over the years. Just because Barry didn't raise his arm up, didn't scream out Hail Obama! or any of the other Nazi crap does not mean to say that his sheeple are in blind loyalty to him. Pelosi was standing and applauding everything he said, while the opposition sat quietly listening for something that made sense to them and their constituents. I am sorry, but there isn't much he said that makes me believe he can fix anything and fix it right. You can't please everyone, of course, but pleasing your own and pissing off the rest is a bad call.

[OzzyKP]

So KH, fill me in, is zaku serious or trolling?

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

[Theben]

Thanks Theben, I guess I must have watch the other Hitler Nazi speeches and marches in my Holocaust class in high school. Or maybe I missed the real speeches in my history classes over the years.

Sorry, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I guess you're an idiot then.

[KrazyHorse]

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

How many times do I have to say it? Get a better ****ing job. How old are you, dude? Quit the stupid political advocacy volunteering for a cause that will never succeed and move into the real world where you do things that other people value and pay you for.

[Kuciwalker]

The individual mandate

[DinoDoc]

Nice try.

The plan as put foward doesn't bend the cost curve in the right direction nor are the President's magical claims about the cost saving potential of preventative care born out by the facts.

[OzzyKP]

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

How many times do I have to say it? Get a better ****ing job. How old are you, dude? Quit the stupid political advocacy volunteering for a cause that will never succeed and move into the real world where you do things that other people value and pay you for.

Haha, my work isn't finished yet. But not everyone in my income bracket has that option. So if this pushes a bunch of people on the dole, does it work out in aggregate?

This CATO study of Massachusetts seems to indicate that the uninsured who got insurance seemed to take more out of the system than put in. Though I haven't looked at the study in depth. But it is a reasonable expectation.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

So low income people like yourself are the only young, healthy people who aren't getting health insurance?

[OzzyKP]

No, but do you have any numbers on how many people fall into each camp? Or are you just making assumptions like I am?

[Theben]

The plan as put foward doesn't bend the cost curve in the right direction nor are the President's magical claims about the cost saving potential of preventative care born out by the facts.

I was talking about repugs. Associating them with facts that are accurate is a loser's bet.

[zakubandit]

How many times do I have to say it? Get a better ****ing job.

And how many times do we have to ****ing say it, there are none. KH, we are not all scientists or high demand skilled, some of the people are there are regular Joes and Janes. Get a better job, when was the last time you checked out the job listings, unemployment rates, etc.

[DinoDoc]

I was talking about repugs. Associating them with facts that are accurate is a loser's bet.

Let's be honest here, Tubbs. Obama's nemesis on this issue is the CBO, not the GOP.

[Imran Siddiqui]

We can quote some other people on this as well, Ozzy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31782553/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

“One of the goals of health reform is to create broader-based risk pools,” said health care economist Linda Blumberg, a former advisor to President Bill Clinton who is now at the non-partisan Urban Institute in Washington. “The more healthy people that we can bring in, the lower will be the average cost in that risk pool.”

Paul Fronstin at the Employment Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Washington, said, “To some degree, requiring the (healthy) uninsured to have coverage is simply bringing them into the system to cross-subsidize the people that already have coverage.”

Bringing in the healthy uninsured will reduce the average cost of care, Fronstin said, “because you’ve brought in more people in paying, but not necessarily more people using health care.”

He added, “We’re assuming that this (uninsured) population is healthier on average than the general population. We know that because they are younger on average than the overall population.”

According to the Kaiser Commission, nearly one-third of the uninsured in 2007 were between ages 19 and 29 and another 42 percent were between ages 30 and 54.

An essential element of the Democrats' proposals is “guaranteed issue” — a requirement that insurers not turn away people who are sickly and have high medical costs.

“It’s a package deal,” Fronstin said. “You can’t have an individual mandate without guaranteed issue — and you can’t have guaranteed issue without an individual mandate. If we’re going to require insurance companies to sell people insurance independent of their health status, then everyone has to be in the system. Otherwise people are going to wait until they get sick to buy health care.”

Yes, it is based on assumptions (most economics is), but a sound one.

[zakubandit]

Let me get things clear...forum population belief
If you are republican you are wrong
If you are democrat you are right
If you oppose Obama you are wrong
If you wish his **** was in your mouth your right
Republican facts = lies
Liberal facts = words from god
All republicans are liars, radicals, and wish only the worst on America
All liberals are gods walking amongst men that are the only ones who can fix America
Everything that Obama says is right
Opposition is treason
Opposition is sign of lack of intelligence
Republicans are stupid
Liberals are stellar geniuses

I think I am on the money here...am I wrong, or is this not how you all treat things *by you all I am pointing at people like Asher, KH, Lori, etc.

[KrazyHorse]

And how many times do we have to ****ing say it, there are none. KH, we are not all scientists or high demand skilled, some of the people are there are regular Joes and Janes

I don't know Joe OR Jane, and I'm damn tired of paying for their health care.