President caves in completely

[Asher]

I called Caligastia a racist several times on CG recently but he was still nice to me after. So I'm done calling him a racist til he pisses me off again.

[Ben Kenobi]

Here's an example of a good troll. It's good because it's true -- how can the "pro-life" people claim to be Pro Life when they, by and large, do not support universal healthcare? They're all about the rights of fetuses to live a healthy, happy life but once a baby is born all bets are off -- **** their health?

This one is easy. Universal health care pretty much always includes abortion on demand. Ergo, prolife people by all rights are opposed to 'universal health care'.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And when Obama says the care will not pay for abortions (as any plan based on insurance won't as no insurance I know covers abortion).

[Asher]

This one is easy. Universal health care pretty much always includes abortion on demand. Ergo, prolife people by all rights are opposed to 'universal health care'.

They're separate issues. You can have universal health care without paying for abortions. I don't even know if abortions are covered in Canada?

Canada has universal health care, but we don't pay for circumcisions. For example.

Try harder, ****er.

[-Jrabbit]

So are they against "universal health care, no abortions allowed"?

[DinoDoc]

The Republican ****ers won.

You mean the general public or the facts? Though based on the tenor of his speech, I wouldn't rule out the Dems still trying to ram the public option down the throats of a leary public.

[Elok]

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?

[Imran Siddiqui]

They're separate issues.

Indeed. There are pro-lifers who are for universal health care. Realizing they are separate, especially in an insurance based system (insurance companies usually don't want to pay for that stuff). I know of a few.

[Asher]

You mean the general public or the facts? Though based on the tenor of his speech, I wouldn't rule out the Dems still trying to ram the public option down the throats of a leary public.

I love the idea of a recently elected representative government deciding with a majority vote to "ram something down the public's throats"

You're pretty adorable when it comes to attempted republican spinning. May want to leave it to the big boys though, DD.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You mean elections have consequences?!!

NO!!

[Ben Kenobi]

And when Obama says the care will not pay for abortions (as any plan based on insurance won't as no insurance I know covers abortion).

I know plenty that do cover it. Usually under 'reproductive rights', or other such blather.

Oh, and Obama is lying to you. The plan will cover abortion.

[DinoDoc]

I love the idea of a recently elected representative government deciding with a majority vote to "ram something down the public's throats"

Well it is the only way to explain polling trends on the issue. Or the fact that the main arguements put foward on the issue seem to have been knocked down by the CBO.

[Asher]

You don't live in a direct democracy. If you want to live in one, move to California.

[Ben Kenobi]

So are they against "universal health care, no abortions allowed"?

Depends on the prolifer.

Me, I'm against universal health care, because I believe in personal responsibility and the efficacy of the free market.

I know plenty of other prolifers up here that do support universal health care, no abortions allowed.

[Asher]

I know plenty that do cover it. Usually under 'reproductive rights', or other such blather.

Oh, and Obama is lying to you. The plan will cover abortion.

Obama is lying. Trust Ben Kenobi instead. Right.