Jesus worship is idolatry

[Kitschum]

Guy was two in one: human and God at once. You don't worship the human, you worship the God.

[chequita guevara]

If you base your belief on God from not seeing Him, then how many here do exist to you?
It's the same thing.

I have evidence that the posters here exist. They post. Even DLs have real people behind them.

No such evidence exists for your invisible friend.

[Seeker]

lol as if I haven't read commentaries on the bible, or endless apologetics, etc.

The problem is that I totally disagree with the standard theistic commentaries, especially throughout Matthew. I think they are BS. I think that they are foolish. It is not that I am unfamiliar with the existing corpus of writings, it is that I think they are wrong and silly in almost every respect.

It seems obvious to met that later Christianity was desperately trying to cover up the obvious differences between the religion of jesus and their own trinitarian BS made up for political reasons.

Oh and differentiating between god creating 'misfortune' and 'wickedness' is sophistry and hair-splitting.

Even in the english sense, 'evil' is not necessarily limited to wickedness, 'evil' can also mean misfortune, calamities, etc in English. Also, in context, god claims that he makes some pots unto honour and some unto dishonour.

If you keep that in mind it seems obvious that gods plan includes deliberately creating bad people or 'wickedness' (or more accurately creating some people in the full knowledge that they will choose evil, and failing to warn or prevent them, as part of a plan to "glorify" himself).

[Ben Kenobi]

Even in the english sense, 'evil' is not necessarily limited to wickedness, 'evil' can also mean misfortune, calamities, etc in English. Also, in context, god claims that he makes some pots unto honour and some unto dishonour.

The point is not what does 'evil' mean in english, but what is the word that was used and translated into english.

Calamity sounds about right to me. Scripture is very clear on this that "rain falls on both the righteous and the wicked".

As for the rest, I believe all can repent and be saved. I don't believe that fairness is even in the picture though.

[Straybow]

It seems obvious to met that later Christianity was desperately trying to cover up the obvious differences between the religion of jesus and their own trinitarian BS made up for political reasons.

No, they were merely trying to define Jesus' teachings within a context of Greek philosophy. Yes, that attempt produced plenty of BS. But the core of what they were trying to explain was present in the gospels and epistles from their earliest attestations.

Oh and differentiating between god creating 'misfortune' and 'wickedness' is sophistry and hair-splitting.

Even in the english sense, 'evil' is not necessarily limited to wickedness, 'evil' can also mean misfortune, calamities, etc in English. Also, in context, god claims that he makes some pots unto honour and some unto dishonour.

Only by the ignorant, or those who are trying to muddy the water to hide their own misdeeds, perhaps. Nor are honor and dishonor equivalent to good and evil. Being made a chamberpot is not a position of honor, but that is not at all the same as evil. The difference is that the chamberpot can't rebel against the potter, whereas man can and does. That is evil.

[Jon Miller]

I have evidence that the posters here exist. They post. Even DLs have real people behind them.

No such evidence exists for your invisible friend.

If you believed in Him and followed Him, you would get your evidence (personal).

JM

[Traianvs]

If you believed in Him and followed Him, you would get your evidence (personal).

JM

So believing in something simply entails its existence? That's a classic one, and so is my answer to that: if I believe in dragons, will they come into existence too then? (like in the Discworld Noir series ). Sounds to me you're merely misleading yourself.