Jesus worship is idolatry

[Ben Kenobi]

Can you tell me about how PMS feels, too? Evidently, you're one of those gifted people who can talk elaborately on subjects of which you have no knowledge, or minimal at best.

I was going to suggest making love to a woman.

[Sava]

Sigh. Arianism is an old heresy. If Jesus were merely man then he could not have served as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. The model of redemption simply doesn't work.

No. The trinity is heresy. Death itself is the sacrifice for our sins, rather than Jesus' death. The role Jesus played was misunderstood.

[Sava]

Ben, you're about to waste more valuable time that could be better spent trimming your toe nails.

Go shoot some Mexicans

[Traianvs]

The Jews attempted to stone him when he said he was one with the Father. Apparently they interpreted this as blasphemy.



Sigh. Arianism is an old heresy. If Jesus were merely man then he could not have served as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. The model of redemption simply doesn't work.

So what constitutes a heresy? A creed not adhered to by the eventual winner in history, no?

Trinitarian Jebusworshippers simply managed to eradicate or convert Arianists with the sword in the one hand and a bag of gold in the other.

Surely you're not going to deny that?

[Ben Kenobi]

So what constitutes a heresy? A creed not adhered to by the eventual winner in history, no?

Again, if Arianism were true, then we would still be in our sins, and Christ could not have redeemed us.

It's a heresy because it's wrong, it's like saying 1+1 = 3. Logically it does not stand up to scrutiny.

[Sava]

Of course... logically.

[Ben Kenobi]

Death itself is the sacrifice for our sins.

Dying in our sins means that we are condemned to hell. Jesus's death, as he was sinless was the perfect passover lamb, and redeemed us from our sins.

The role Jesus played was misunderstood.

So he was a prophet? Sadly, he doesn't give us that option.

[Felch]

Trinitarian Jebusworshippers simply managed to eradicate or convert Arianists with the sword in the one hand and a bag of gold in the other.

The old days sure were awesome. We all just agreed to be Catholic, and those who disagreed died slowly and painfully.

to kicking it old school!

[Wezil]

Of course... logically.

Awesome.

[Ben Kenobi]

The old days sure were awesome. We all just agreed to be Catholic, and those who disagreed died slowly and painfully.

Well, unless of course you were Roman and then you could appeal to the emperor to commute your sentence of crucifixion.

[Traianvs]

Those Christians being thrown to the lions were real buffoons. All they had to do is pledge allegiance to the emperor! Who cares if he was deified afterwards, they ought to have kept their fingers crossed behind their backs, is all!

[Berzerker]

Those Christians being thrown to the lions were real buffoons. All they had to do is pledge allegiance to the emperor! Who cares if he was deified afterwards, they ought to have kept their fingers crossed behind their backs, is all!

but then Christianity would not have impressed the Roman elite and taken off like it did.

Ben, I and the Father are one does not mean Jesus was claiming to be God, only that he spoke for the Father, ie he's a prophet. Jesus repeatedly referred to God as someone else, "he who sent me"... Claiming to be the Messiah didn't help, the Romans had outlawed the Jewish monarchy in favor of their puppet rulers and that was the charge for which Jesus was murdered.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, I and the Father are one does not mean Jesus was claiming to be God, only that he spoke for the Father, ie he's a prophet.

Then why did the Jews attempt to stone him? He wasn't claiming to represent God the Father, he was claiming that they were united as one. This was very offensive to the Jews who quite well understood prophets.

Jesus repeatedly referred to God as someone else, "he who sent me"

They were two distinct persons, and yet still one with one another.

Claiming to be the Messiah didn't help, the Romans had outlawed the Jewish monarchy in favor of their puppet rulers and that was the charge for which Jesus was murdered.

He did not say, " I am the Messiah", he said, I and the Father are One. He claimed total unity with God himself.

[Seeker]

Actually the "Why callest thou me good?" part in the NT makes sense in light of the OT "I am the Lord thy God, I create both good and evil".

God comes right out and says he's not here to be our friend.

He's just here to **** with us 'cause he's a bored kid in a sandbox.

After all "some vessels may be made to honour, and some for dishonour" some pots for 'glory' and some for destruction...

What kind of decent potter have you ever heard of that makes pots just so he can prove how great he is by breaking them?

But there is an example in everyday life...a boy in a sandbox with his legos and gi joes behaves EXACTLY like how the god of the bible is described when you strip away all the BS.

Which stands to reason, since he was an invention of extremely immature people.

God: A great business ever since 25 000 BC when Thogg discovered he could make the other tribesmen do his work by manipulating their fears.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why isn't God smiting Seeker?

I thought you said he was an immature bully.