Abortion Doctor Gunned Down at Church

[SlowwHand]

And it well could be.

[rah]

while I can see arrian's point, i would still group rape victims in with the harming the mother group. Just a different kind of harm.

[calmac87]

I could stretch that definition and say having to carry a rapist's child to term could be quite damaging to the mother's mental condition.

I agree - How horrifying for her. Being a rape victim in something that stays with you forever as it is, much less being forced to carry a child that is the spawn of the man who did it to you. I think the suicide rate would go up.

[DaShi]

I could stretch that definition and say having to carry a rapist's child to term could be quite damaging to the mother's mental condition.

I'd think that carrying an unwanted child wouldn't be good for her mental health whether she was raped or not.

[rah]

Maybe but I think with a rape it would be many times worse.
Especially if you think in terms of remembering the conception.
One would hopefully be a pleasant memory and the other a nightmare.

[Lorizael]

I'd think that carrying an unwanted child wouldn't be good for her mental health whether she was raped or not.

Having your boyfriend break up with you is also not good for your mental health.

[rah]

But then you go ahead and have the kid so you can stick your ex with child support.

Has a woman ever sued a rapist for child support?

[SlowwHand]

Rape has always been one of the instances where abortion should be a consideration.
In fact, I've made the comment numerous times that abortion as a birth control method is the unacceptable practice.

[Elok]

I agree - How horrifying for her. Being a rape victim in something that stays with you forever as it is, much less being forced to carry a child that is the spawn of the man who did it to you. I think the suicide rate would go up.

IDK who you are, but reading your post is bad for my mental health. Please kill yourself.

[Ben Kenobi]

I could stretch that definition and say having to carry a rapist's child to term could be quite damaging to the mother's mental condition.

Abortion is no different. Women are far more likely to commit suicide after having an abortion, then if they carry their child to term or not.

[Ben Kenobi]

Abortion for the case of rape is targetting the wrong person. The rapist is the one who should be strung up and killed, not the child who is completely innocent. It's like if you have a car, and someone drives by and smashes into the side and drives away.

You have been badly hurt, so you go to the next car and smash it up with a crowbar? It doesn't make sense.

[BeBMan]

Well, I think a better comparison would have been about donuts. I mean if you don't like donuts you go on and buy pancakes instead? How's this fair?

[Arrian]

Abortion for the case of rape is targetting the wrong person.

Ben is correct here, in the sense that if you see all fetuses as "people" who have the rights of people, then you can't have a rape exception. It simply doesn't follow.

By carving out a special exception for rape situations, you are implicitly accepting the (pro-choice) position that the fetus isn't REALLY a "person" - at least not entirely yet - and thus its rights can be trumped under certain circumstances.

-Arrian

[rah]

Yes, trumped by the mothers right. Same as when it will cause her physical damage. So I don't see this as a seperate exception.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, trumped by the mothers right. Same as when it will cause her physical damage. So I don't see this as a seperate exception.

Only in the case where you can't save the life of both, as in an ectopic pregnancy. Then, the only option is to take the child out of his mother. The intent isn't to kill the child but to save the life of the mother rather then having both die.

Yes, you can argue that the trauma that the mother may or may not suffer is of greater value then the life of the child, but only if you don't consider the child to be just as much a person as the mother. Only the 'not fully human' position coincides with this one.