Support for same sex marriage grows... ever stronger

[Q Classic]

I can't be. My white hood is in the cleaners.

And you've got plenty of gay friends. Asher, for instance.

[Ben Kenobi]

There have also been claims such as this, that apply to long-term lesbian and gay couples. Such claims say that gay men and lesbians who are in long-term relationships or full marriage with another person of same gender and sexual orientation live longer and happier lives than single gay men and lesbians.

Too bad you need to be a ****ing bigot and want to deprive gay men and lesbians such better quality of life.

Actually, I'm arguing quite the opposite. I'm arguing that if they were to get married to a man or a woman of the opposite sex, and have children, they would be healthier and happier then all other alternatives.

Surely, a true bigot would be pushing for gay marriage, because he wants gay people to suffer the consequences of their actions.

[Ben Kenobi]

However, they allow people to make an unhealthy decision... which is the basis for you denying gays the right to marriage.

Again, they allow unhealthy choices, they do not endorse them. Support for gay marriage is an endorsement of unhealthy behaviour. What's so difficult to understand about my argument? I've made it at least 5 times here.

If the government approves gay marriage they are endorsing unhealthy behaviour, which is wrong. The government should not endorse unhealthy behaviour, and should instead promote the healthier alternatives.

I am not saying that homosexuality should be illegal. I believe people should be permitted to engage in homosexuality. I reject that the government should intervene to support and promote homosexuality through the approval of gay marriage.

The government allows people the FREEDOM OF CHOICE to make unhealthy decisions... so there is no basis for using the Health Issue as a reason to not allow gay marriages.

Gay marriage is NOT about freedom of choice. Engaging in homosexuality is freedom of choice. Gay marriage is government intervention in endorsing gay marriage, which is an entirely different point.

And as far as your Promotion crap... the answer is simple based on your twisted logic. Let gays get married and take away the tax advantages from everybody. Then there would no longer be any discrimination.

Ahh, so we get to the crux. Fine, I'd agree with that. No benefits whatsoever to anyone, no marriage licenses at all. No inheritance benefits, visitation privileges, etc, etc, etc.

The only marriages performed by the church, as it should be.

[Q Classic]

No, a true bigot refuses to give gays the right to determine their own fates, treating them as second-class citizens incapable of making decisions for themselves.

For a right-winger, you're really disgustingly in favor of this nanny state bull****.

[Q Classic]

Ahh, so we get to the crux. Fine, I'd agree with that. No benefits whatsoever to anyone, no marriage licenses at all. No inheritance benefits, visitation privileges, etc, etc, etc.

How very charitable Christian Ben of you.

The only marriages performed by the church, as it should be.

And of course, if a Unitarian Church wishes to marry a gay couple, you should kindly STFU.

[Ben Kenobi]

And you've got plenty of gay friends. Asher, for instance.

Indeed I do. I have all kinds of friends, atheists, christians, black, white, brown, yellow. Doesn't matter to me.

All the people who are condemning bigotry and judgment are quite proud to be casting the first stone.

[Ben Kenobi]

And of course, if a Unitarian Church wishes to marry a gay couple, you should kindly STFU.

I don't really care what they do, or the Anglican church, which is where I was baptised. If they want to fight with God, that's their deal. Count me out of it.

[Q Classic]

Indeed I do. I have all kinds of friends, atheists, christians, black, white, brown, yellow. Doesn't matter to me.

All the people who are condemning bigotry and judgment are quite proud to be casting the first stone.

Yes, just like how I'm not racist because I'm part of a minority, and how Mel Gibson can't possibly be an anti-Semite when drunk because when sober, he works with Jews all over the place.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, a true bigot refuses to give gays the right to determine their own fates,

They have the right to decide their own fates. If they want to be gay, go ahead, I'm not going to stop you. However, I draw the line at the government, which is my representative endorsing homosexuality. I believe it's wrong, and while ought to be permitted should not be endorsed, especially not by my elected officials.

treating them as second-class citizens incapable of making decisions for themselves.

Where did I say they were incapable of making decisions? I said nothing of the sort. I really get tired of people putting words into my mouth that I did not say. If you've got an argument, argue against what I've posted, not whatever imaginary argument you would prefer to debate against.

For a right-winger, you're really disgustingly in favor of this nanny state bull****.

How so? I'm arguing the government should get the hell out of gay marriage. That's just the opposite of 'nanny state'. I've argued the government should stay the hell out of endorsing behaviour that is unhealthy. If anything I seem to be the only one arguing for fewer benefits and not more.

[Q Classic]

I don't really care what they do, or the Anglican church, which is where I was baptised. If they want to fight with God, that's their deal. Count me out of it.

Then why the **** are you arguing about it now? You aren't counting yourself out of it, since there are Unitarian Churches that do this now--and if the rest of the public wants to have a fight with your God, let them.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then why the **** are you arguing about it now? You aren't counting yourself out of it, since there are Unitarian Churches that do this now--and if the rest of the public wants to have a fight with your God, let them.

I don't have to fund the unitarian church. I do have to pay taxes. If you are willing to exempt me from taxes, great, go ahead and have your gay marriage, I don't care. However, if you are going to take money away from me, and threaten to throw me in jail for refusing, then you'd better believe that I have a say as to what happens in the government. These are my elected officials, who are elected to represent me. If they want to support gay marriage, fine, but don't do it on my dime. I work hard for my money, and I'd rather give it to people that I feel are worthy.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, just like how I'm not racist because I'm part of a minority,

Where did I give this argument. Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

You asked me if I have any gay friends, and yes I do thank you very much.

and how Mel Gibson can't possibly be an anti-Semite when drunk because when sober, he works with Jews all over the place.

I saw this coming a mile away. Dude, you asked, I answered. I'm not a bigot because I believe in helping gay people be happy and healthy. You might disagree with me on that, but that hardly makes me a bigot, it just means we disagree on the best course of action.

Oh, and I love how you throw Gibson in there. Excellent troll.

[MrFun]

Actually, I'm arguing quite the opposite. I'm arguing that if they were to get married to a man or a woman of the opposite sex, and have children, they would be healthier and happier then all other alternatives.

Surely, a true bigot would be pushing for gay marriage, because he wants gay people to suffer the consequences of their actions.

You completely missed my point.

I'm saying that both cases - heterosexual couples, as well as gay couples, enjoy the same benefits of health and happiness in their relationships.

A bigot would want to deny gay men and lesbians such benefits by prohibiting legal gay marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm saying that both cases - heterosexual couples, as well as gay couples, enjoy the same benefits of health and happiness in their relationships.

No, they don't. I'm sorry Mr. Fun. Homosexuals whether they are in a long term relationship or not, are far more likely to suffer from partner abuse, and from substance abuse. Both of these have long term health consequences.

A bigot would want to deny gay men and lesbians such benefits by prohibiting legal gay marriage.

What long term benefits? Again, as I've been arguing the best option wrt to long term health benefits for a gay man is to get married to a woman, and have kids. The same for a lesbian woman is to get married to a man and have kids.

A bigot would consign gay men and women to unnecessary suffering, as you do here.

[Ming]

Again, they allow unhealthy choices, they do not endorse them. Support for gay marriage is an endorsement of unhealthy behaviour. What's so difficult to understand about my argument? I've made it at least 5 times here.

You keep equating allowing gay marriages to endorsing it. Now it's just about words... Becuase using your logic then, anything that they allow is an endorsement. If the government "allows" people to ride motercycles, they are endorsing them. If the governement allows people to eat food that is not healthy, then they are endorsing that as well. What is so dificult for you to understand... this has been pointed out to you many times.

If the government approves gay marriage they are endorsing unhealthy behaviour, which is wrong. The government should not endorse unhealthy behaviour, and should instead promote the healthier alternatives.

They issue licenses for people to drive motorcycles... so they are endorsing and promoting unhealthy behaviour... they don't just limit it to the healthier alternative of driving a car. Again, your argument makes no sense.

I am not saying that homosexuality should be illegal. I believe people should be permitted to engage in homosexuality. I reject that the government should intervene to support and promote homosexuality through the approval of gay marriage.

What are they intervening about???? if homosexuality isn't illegal, then gay marriages shouldn't be either.
Again, by allowing people to drive motorcycles that means the government already encourages, supports and promotes an unhealthy action where a much safer alternative exists.

Gay marriage is NOT about freedom of choice. Engaging in homosexuality is freedom of choice. Gay marriage is government intervention in endorsing gay marriage, which is an entirely different point.

Yes it is about freedom of choice... the freedom to marry the person you love... a relationship of two consenting adults. Again, your argument about endorsing doesn't apply, since they already endorse other unhealthy things.

Ahh, so we get to the crux. Fine, I'd agree with that. No benefits whatsoever to anyone, no marriage licenses at all. No inheritance benefits, visitation privileges, etc, etc, etc.
The only marriages performed by the church, as it should be.

Ahhh... now we get to the crux of the matter... you want marriages performed ONLY by the church, and subject to their whims... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Now you are saying that only religious people should be allowed to get married... What BS. Freedom of religion not only means the right to practice your faith, but it also means that a state religion isn't crammed down your throat... Maybe churchs should be the ones to get out of the marriage business... so they don't force their version of right and wrong down peoples throats... The government makes the laws, NOT the churchs.

It should be left totally up to the government so wacko beliefs don't come into play and so that there is no discrimination and freedom for all.