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  • #136
    I see your reasoning, but I don't buy it. The authorities should not be allowed anything just because it's the government.
    Well, I'm all ears to your interpretation as to why Christ would be opposed to torture. I can say that he would reject torture as a means to settle disputes between Christians, but I cannot see evidence that he would bar torture as a tool by the civilian authorities, nor that he freed prisoners for their crimes. He did not spare the theives on the cross, until they admitted their own sins, that they might be freed from death itself through confession.

    This is why the preservation of the health of those who have been captured is important, for they cannot repent without opportunity to do so. However, if they hold relevant information that has a bearing on the suvival of others, it is their burden to release the information before further harm can be done.

    I'm very open to your argument that I'm off on this or I've missed and overlooked something which is pertinent.
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    • #137
      BK

      JM
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      • #138
        It's amazing how many people know the innermost motivations and thoughts
        of a semi-mythical religious cult leader who has been dead for 2000 years...

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        • #139
          Who was the character in the old testament that god allowed lucifer to torture in order to disprove his faith? That would appear to be evidence that the Judeo/Christian god supports torture if the reasons are fitting.
          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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          • #140
            It is obvious that God allows torture. If God didn't allow torture, no torture would occur.

            That is very different than God supporting torture.

            And Job is one of the top contenders (with Genesis) for being a metaphorical book.

            JM
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            • #141
              OK, quibble about my use of allow. Did he not order lucifer to test Job?

              As for its being metaphorical, well thats a given to me.
              We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
              If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
              Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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              • #142
                God didn't order Satan to test Job. Satan said that Job worshiped God due to God protecting Him. God then said that He wouldn't protect Job any longer...

                Bible Gateway passage: Job 1 - New International Version
                http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=22&chapter=1&version=31
                Prologue - In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. He had seven sons and three daughters, and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East. His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.


                JM
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #143
                  Yes; no; but I don't consider what went on at Gitmo "torture."
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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                    God didn't order Satan to test Job. Satan said that Job worshiped God due to God protecting Him. God then said that He wouldn't protect Job any longer...

                    Bible Gateway passage: Job 1 - New International Version
                    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=22&chapter=1&version=31
                    Prologue - In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. He had seven sons and three daughters, and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East. His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.


                    JM
                    I stand corrected. God just didnt intervene to prevent the torture. OK.
                    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                    If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                    Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                    • #145
                      Seriouspost this Pew poll is more disgusting than tubgirl

                      Somebody register http://www.christians.com and post the results on there
                      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                      • #146
                        crapity

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                        • #147
                          Jon:

                          If you disagree, I'd like to see your argument why.

                          Just saying it's wrong won't work.
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                          "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                          • #148
                            God is love. God is just. God is merciful.

                            JM
                            Jon Miller-
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                            GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                            • #149
                              What about prisons, Jon? Are prisons wrong?
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                              • #150
                                It's not torture if you do it to the bad guys.

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