Suck it, Ben.

[Asher]

Pride Parades are very graphic too.

Indeed.

Placing giant posters of decapitated three year old girls in the middle of busy pathways on campus is directly comparable to a pride parade, which occurs on an area blocked off and with ample hints of what it is. You have to be a ****ing moron to witness a pride parade up close enough to see details if you are not interested.

Let's not even talk about how much more graphically disturbing the gay pride festivities are compared to the mild dismembered corpse of a toddler.

[Asher]

Actually, it doesn't look like this thread's going to break new ground (though it has made me muse on the failings of the Pro-Life movement), so let's just make it a lyrics thread. I've long thought that modern "musicians" are fighting a losing battle to make their lyrics more and more offensive, with diminishing returns. You can only swear or talk explicitly so much before the audience becomes desensitized, or the attempt at offensiveness becomes funny. See the Bloodhound Gang's "Put your head up high (and blow your brains out)." Well, no, that one's supposed to be funny, but you see what I mean.

And really, explicit is overrated. A little subtlety and imagination can make a song far more vulgar than a lot of F-bombs or graphic descriptions of penetrative acts. Think of Brown Sugar. That song is, what, thirty or forty years old now? And it's unbelievably crude, talking about kinky interracial sex in the antebellum south without ever resorting to profanity. The most vile song I personally ever heard was from the thirties or so, a little jazz/blues ditty called "Shave 'em dry" that lovingly compares a man's crab-infested genitals to the parts of a church. Plenty of swears, but they're plainly not put in just to offend; it's how the writer of the song is accustomed to talking. Modern vulgarity is a bland, manufactured phenomenon that's starting to wear itself out. Exhibit B: Marilyn Manson.

Ha! We reached the same conclusion simultaneously and separately!

Completely agreed that subtly and innuendo is the way to go. Songs that are too literal are boring -- I like complex lyrics with meanings that must be deciphered.

[Thoth]

Like this?

[Asher]

We'll need to find us some scholars to decipher that bad boy.

[Thoth]

Screw the scholars, I've got Google

So f***ing what?

Well I’ve been to Hastings
And I’ve been to Brighton
I’ve been to Eastbourne too
So What, So What
And I’ve been here,
And I’ve been there
And I’ve been every f***ing where
So What, So What
So What, So What, you boring little c**t, who cares, who care’s what you do!?
And who care’s, who cares about you?
you, you, you, YOU

And I sucked sweets,
And I sucked rock
And I even sucked an old man’s c**k
So What, So What
And I’ve f***ed a sheep
And I’ve f***ed a goat
I’ve had my c**k right down its throat
So What, So What
So What, So What, you boring little c**t, who cares, who care’s what you do!?
Who care’s, who cares about you?
you, you, you, YOU

And I’ve drunk that
And I’ve drunk this
I’ve spewed up on a pint of piss
So What, So What
And I’ve had scag
I’ve had speed
I’ve jacked up until I bleed
So What, So What
So What , So What, you boring little c**t, who cares, who care’s what you do!?
Who care’s, who cares about you?
you, you, you, YOU

Well I've had crabs
And I've had lice
And I've had the pox and that ain't nice
So What, So What
AndI've f***ed this
And I've f***ed that
And I've even f***ed a schoolgirl's t**t
So What, So What
So What, So What, you boring little c**t, who cares, who care's about you?!
Who cares? who cares about you?
You, you, you, YOU.

Qwality lyrics that you wont find in modern pop.

[Q Classic]

Indeed.

Placing giant posters of decapitated three year old girls in the middle of busy pathways on campus is directly comparable to a pride parade, which occurs on an area blocked off and with ample hints of what it is. You have to be a ****ing moron to witness a pride parade up close enough to see details if you are not interested.

Let's not even talk about how much more graphically disturbing the gay pride festivities are compared to the mild dismembered corpse of a toddler.

Well, to be fair to Ben, I didn't know I was walking into an area that the Pride Parade was going to the first time I encountered one. So it's kinda easy to get near one whether you're looking for one or not, at times.

Of course, I'll admit I wasn't repulsed at what I saw there, in comparison to some of the anti-abortion posters I've seen? Because really, what's so offensive about a muscular man wearing a rainbow-colored boa?

[MOBIUS]

Making virtually the same joke twice in one thread should be a bannable offence imo.

Who said it was a joke?

[Ben Kenobi]

So Ben. How about apologizing for the lies you told about me? You do have enough decency to admit when your wrong, don't you?

Quoting you word for word is lying?

[DaShi]

You didn't quote me word for word. You completely made up something that I never said. Now you're lying to me again.

[DaShi]

You said this to me:

You said very clearly that indoors had a more intellectual air, which is why indoor holocaust displays are fine, but outdoor ones are tacky. I call BS.

You then said you were responding to this:

The legal issue aside, there is precidents of what is considered decent to show in public. The holocaust images are placed in enclosed structures such as museums and universities, where there is a more intellectual atmosphere and, more importantly, where people have a choice whether they wish to see those kinds of images.

Your response was not a direct quote. And clearly, I did not say that indoors had a more intellectual air. You were lying. You owe me an apology and a sig. Show some dignity.

[DaShi]

Oh, and you never did answer my question, if you have a mental disorder.

[Asher]

Unfortunately, one of the problems with delusional people is they don't know they're delusional.

[DaShi]

Yes, it seems there is nothing redeemable about Ben. Oh well. I tried.

[Blaupanzer]

Ben has a couple of blind spots, buttons that when pushed cause a steady state reaction beyond the power of reason, logic, or sense. He is hardly the only person like that in the world. I suspect he means well.

Now as near as I understand, the show we've been discussing is regarded as a form of pornography, violent pornography or the pornography of violence. Now Ben, normally an upright man is advocating we let this pornography be shown in the name of Free Speech. Therefore, child pornography should be shown to protect the free speech of NAMBLA. M&S clubs should be allowed to show results to reassure potential members. I won't stretch this out like a shaggy dog story, but there are a whole series of organizations that advocate sexual and gender roles that could use graphic support to effectively recruit. What about them? Can I build a display of little dead amphibian-looking things that turn out to be first trimester fetuses; then show it near the other group?

[Alinestra Covelia]

I did actually get to watch Buckaroo Banzai recently.

I came away deeply, deeply nonplussed.