How Long Will It Take To Get An Obama Holiday?

[Kuciwalker]

A similar percentage voted for Kerry. Something like 90%, IIRC. But I'm sure you know this, and have chosen to ignore it because it screws up your narrative.

-Arrian

His point has somewhat more merit when you look at the primaries.

[Dinner]

I'll give him the full first term because the complete epic fail of the Bush administration is simply so massive it is going to require years to fix it. One simply cannot restore the country, hell the world, from the Republican made disaster without years of hard work.

[Riesstiu IV]

No, Obama has 100 days to turn this country around. If I don't get a $1,000 check from the government and marijuana isn't decriminalized, I'm going to burn down my foreclosed home.

[Sprayber]

See, Sprayber, this was dozens of times funnier than the OP.

I'm a bit rusty to be sure. The question was serious though cause we all know he is getting one eventually. Like Imran I do hope it is in August. We need a concerted effort to fill all months with federal holidays. Hopefully Obama will get his own holiday unlike MLK ( in three states at least MLK must share his holiday with Robert E Lee ) I'm sure most people will welcome a three day weekend in mid August.

[Arrian]

MLK voted for the republicans, which I'm sure you won't ever quote either, because it screws up yours.

Actually, I was unaware of that. Given the fact that political parties can change A LOT in 45-50 years, however, it doesn't bother me.

I sincerely doubt that you'd see a 40-60 split regardless of party for black folks. Are you telling me that if the republicans ran a black man against Kerry that it would be a 90 percent vote for Kerry? Do you believe that 40 percent of black folks would ever vote against a black person running for president?

It depends on the candidate. If Colin Powell had run, I think you'd have seen substantial support. Alan Keyes, otoh... not so much. IIRC (I'd have to look it up), there have been local elections wherein black repubs have gotten stomped by white dems (in % of black vote). So, to answer your final question, yes I absolutely believe that.

-Arrian

edit: Heh. I posted this w/o reading on. Imran came up with the exact same response, albeit in short form. And Lonestar came up with some examples of the local elections I was talking about.

[Arrian]

Look Ben, black voters vote for Democrats over Republicans because they (correctly) know that the Republicans have little to no regard for them. The Republican party has branded itself, quite deliberately, in a way that makes it really really hard for them to convince a black voter to give them his or her vote. The Dems at least pretend to care, and occasionally really try to help. Could they do a better job? Is the Pope catholic?

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

LBJ was the worst thing ever to happen to Black people with his great society. Look at the illegitimacy rates, since his bills came through. If you make someone economically dependent on the government, then they are going to vote with their pocketbook.

No, I'm not sure where you got that from. The only thing I explicitly mentioned was illegitimacy.

Wanna try again?

That is the only thing I was really discussing. I think the most substantial problem that emerged from the Great society is illegitimacy.

How is that? People said, oh look, more money... lets have more unprotected sex!!

Only you would think that the government offering welfare money would lead to more sex.

[Grandpa Troll]

Well, I happen to enjoy watching him twist in the wind. With the Chargers once again not in the Super Bowl, Ben's been a little scarce in the sports forum.

Im confuzed

I thought Ben got you peeps scrait on dem Chargers being the 2nd greatest Foosball team in the NFL, playoffs aside, they are according to my sources and why are we still hashing this out?

I just cant understand how you folks wont get with and get behind Ben on this?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It depends on the candidate. If Colin Powell had run, I think you'd have seen substantial support. Alan Keyes, otoh... not so much. IIRC (I'd have to look it up), there have been local elections wherein black repubs have gotten stomped by white dems (in % of black vote). So, to answer your final question, yes I absolutely believe that.

Yep, facts are stubborn things. In his 1992 Senate race against Barbara Mikulski, Keyes lost predomiantly black Prince George County 79-21 and the predominantly black city of Baltimore 86-14.

Of course, he also lost to Obama 92-8 among blacks statewide in Illinois in 2004.

Yep, blacks sure must love Alan Keyes. If only the GOP ran more candidates like him!

[Ramo]

Actually, I was unaware of that. Given the fact that political parties can change A LOT in 45-50 years, however, it doesn't bother me.



It depends on the candidate. If Colin Powell had run, I think you'd have seen substantial support. Alan Keyes, otoh... not so much. IIRC (I'd have to look it up), there have been local elections wherein black repubs have gotten stomped by white dems (in % of black vote). So, to answer your final question, yes I absolutely believe that.

-Arrian

edit: Heh. I posted this w/o reading on. Imran came up with the exact same response, albeit in short form. And Lonestar came up with some examples of the local elections I was talking about.

Odama != Clay Davis

[Theben]

I'm a bit rusty to be sure. The question was serious though cause we all know he is getting one eventually.

Depends on what he can pull off, and as far as the economy goes it ain't looking good. I figure he'll be down to 50% approval next year. You heard it here 1st, folks.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, by your reasoning, Ben, if it had been Hillary that got the Dem nod, she would have got 16% of the black vote.

Not unless she ran against someone like Powell.

[Ben Kenobi]

My point was contained in the first and last sentences: that the dates of the data you linked to doesn't support your contention, and that sort of post calls much of your POV into question.

Did you not even read the table I posted? It has the source right on it.



Forgive me for thinking facts mattered. There was a substantial jump in two categories, women under the age of 24 from 1965 to 1970, faster then the usual rate of increase.

Which would support exactly what I'm saying.

But of course, facts only matter if they agree with you.

[Ben Kenobi]

You realize that you can look these things up yourself, right? Google "exit poll" and the relevant race.

I asked a polite question. If you don't want to support your numbers, then fine.

For starters, the only black Republican elected official of any stature who I can think of (taking stature pretty liberally) is the TX Railroad Commish. Notably, there isn't a single black member of Congress who's a Republican.

So it's because the Republicans are Racist?

Ignoring that Steele's opponent, Cardin had a divisive primary fight with a former head of the NAACP, Mfume, and was a generally lackluster candidate compared to Steele, yeah, he did about 3x better than Bush in his race against noted black man Al Gore.

Still, that shows my point black people regardless of party will do better then white folks of either party, especially republicans.

[Ben Kenobi]

It depends on the candidate. If Colin Powell had run, I think you'd have seen substantial support. Alan Keyes, otoh... not so much. IIRC (I'd have to look it up), there have been local elections wherein black repubs have gotten stomped by white dems (in % of black vote). So, to answer your final question, yes I absolutely believe that.

Keyes still does about twice as well as the average republican.