Is there a religion an intelligent person can follow?

[Barnabas]

If the church cared that much for what laity wants, contraception would be legal, people could divorce and get married again.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Or value things differently than you?

Given I give going to a church no value whatsoever, that is eminently true.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Barnabas
If the church cared that much for what laity wants, contraception would be legal, people could divorce and get married again.

It may still yet . Give it time for Vatican III

Besides, IMO, it doesn't matter what the church declares. It matters what the people think. It is hard to declare Massachusetts Catholics who go to Church every week and all that to be nonbelievers, but a good deal of them are politically (if not personally) pro-choice. John Kerry is not a rare Catholic in Massachusetts.

[Dauphin]

They should all be ex-communicated.

[Ben Kenobi]

Besides, IMO, it doesn't matter what the church declares. It matters what the people think. It is hard to declare Massachusetts Catholics who go to Church every week and all that to be nonbelievers, but a good deal of them are politically (if not personally) pro-choice. John Kerry is not a rare Catholic in Massachusetts.

What makes you think the Catholic church is a democracy?

What the people want is irrelevant. If you are going to wait for the Catholic church to be prochoice, you'd better be working on your hibernation chamber

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Catholic Church only thinks it can keep the hordes back . Just you wait until Vatican III comes down the pike. Probably won't be pro-choice, but probably won't be talking about excommunicating those who are (not that Kerry was excommunicated, but plenty talked about doing so).

[Ben Kenobi]

The Catholic Church only thinks it can keep the hordes back.

Nothing compared to Attila.

Just you wait until Vatican III comes down the pike. Probably won't be pro-choice, but probably won't be talking about excommunicating those who are (not that Kerry was excommunicated, but plenty talked about doing so).

Hmm, 2050 is a long way away.

[Imran Siddiqui]

A point: 42 years is hardly "long way away"... only if you have a very (very) short view of human history.

[Ben Kenobi]

We'll be old men if we are so fortunate to see those days, and that assumes there will be a council.

There was no council between Trent and First Vatican, so it is unlikely we'll see one in our lifespan.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hey, you were the one who said 2050 .