1/4 of Texas: "Obama's a Muslim"

[SlowwHand]

How much do you pay for the drugs you take?

[KrazyHorse]

Going to deny that you asked me to "tutor your ****" and that you liked my mouth?

It's okay. It must be dark in that closet you've buried yourself in.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
If your Anglican baptism poses such a problem could you not have asked for a re-baptism? Surely the Roman Catholic Church provides for the baptism of an adult.

"I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins."--Nicene Creed

ONE baptism. As long as Anglicans baptize in the name of the Trinity (you do, right?), your baptisms should be valid; that's how it works in Orthodoxy, at least, and I assume it's much the same for the RCC. Multiple baptisms have long been considered heretical. Probably Ben just needed whatever the RCC's equivalent of Chrismation is to become Catholic.

To that end, however, there's no good theological reason why he should be considered "less of a Catholic" for that. It sounds like plain snobbery to me, the way some Orthodox folk might look down on me for not being named Lesanov or Stamatapoulos.

[Ben Kenobi]

If your Anglican baptism poses such a problem could you not have asked for a re-baptism? Surely the Roman Catholic Church provides for the baptism of an adult.

Actually this was probably the biggest stumbling block for me. I did get 're-baptised' in the mennonite church. It took me a long time before I realised what the nicene creed teaches, ie, that there is only one baptism, not two. Re-baptism is wrong because you are denying the efficacy of the first baptism.

When I first joined the Mennonite church, I told them it was proper for me to do a confession and proclaim my faith in Christ, but I didn't want to do the baptism. It took a year for them to convince me that I should make a choice to demonstrate my faith through baptism. When I did I was happy because it was a choice I made and not my parents.

Part of the problem is that I had an unbalanced view of my own heritage. I saw myself as only coming into the church at the age of 19. When I had the opportunity to attend a Catholic mass, I realised just how wrong I had been. I realised that I couldn't deny what I had received when I was 7.

Then when I started getting drawn into Catholicism, I went through a year of RCIA but I didn't want to give up my Mennonite baptism, because I wanted them to recognise it as my "true" baptism because I chose it. It took me a long time before I finally asked God to help me understand what he meant by baptism. I had a nice lady who spent a whole day with me going over baptism, and it made sense. Baptism is an indelible sign. It doesn't go away. You cannot be re-baptised. She asked me if I had misgivings about rebaptism in the mennonite church, and I admitted I had struggled with the issue back then.

Mostly it was me accepting my own heritage and being whole rather then half.

As for recognising the baptisms of another church, that comes from the Augustinian view, that baptisms do not become invalid when someone loses the faith. If they come back to the church, then they are to confess their sins, but they are not to be rebaptised. Augustine also taught that one does not need to be Catholic in order to receive a true baptism, one only needs to be baptised in the name of the trinity, father, son and holy spirit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Probably Ben just needed whatever the RCC's equivalent of Chrismation is to become Catholic.

That and a year of RCIA which is the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults.

You have to be willing in Confirmation to defend all the teachings of the church, and to understand them in such a way that you will be able to teach them to other people. It took me two years, but I'm glad the classes were there.

[fed1943]

There is no Catholic Baptism, just Christian Baptism.
And to be a Catholic, you do not need Confirmation/Chrisma.
If you feel yourself as a Catholic and you are a Christian, then you are.
You can be, or not, update with your religious duties, but that is
another point.
Best regards,

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Maybe there was a lot more to Jeremiah Wright than you think.

You could say that about so many subjects.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Zevico

Obama betrays someone for politics, supposedly. He claims he never shared Wright's views in the first place. But of course the good reverend is credible source of information. Guy lives on a mansion. Sounds like a genuine full time preacher of the faith to me.

But suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a communist. But I repeat myself.

Anyway, suppose you reject Obama's version. Then supposedly Obama either (a) secretly believes in what Wright's saying or (b) betrayed Wright and his ideals for politics and power.

You contend (b), I suppose. How in God's name does a power-play count as being 'subservient' to white people? How in God's name can anyone aiming to become President of the USA possibly be 'subservient' in any sense of the word other than the most airy-fairy empty "he's giving in to corporate america which is white america so he's an UNCLE TOM111oneoneone" sense?

But hey, that's exactly what you're saying. May as well type America with three Ks.

Holy **** dude. I never said that. I was saying that Obama never believed in black liberation. He attended that church to get some community organizing experience, and to get some tail as it seems.

[Chemical Ollie]

I hope he's an atheist in disguise. Religion has no place in government policy (except the policy that governs religion, naturally).

[Darius871]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Are they praying for the markets to turn around?

Seriously, WTF? Way to just go and invite the Apocalypse, you idiots!

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Darius871


Seriously, WTF? Way to just go and invite the Apocalypse, you idiots!

OK, here's the rest:

In January of this year, Cindy Jacobs was in a worship service when the Lord spoke to her, “Cindy, the strongman over America doesn’t live in Washington, DC – the strongman lives in New York City! Call My people to pray for the economy.”

This word so shook Cindy; she knew she had to call the people of God to converge on New York City the week of October 29 for an emergency prayer rally to cry out against economic collapse in the midst of shaking.
The Lord further said, “October 29 was Black Tuesday, the day the stock market crashed, and Satan wants to do it again.” We must be proactive in prayer. At the beginning of the year many intercessors began to hear from the Lord that without divine intervention, a major shaking was coming to Wall Street. This would spread until there were food shortages. Some think that 2009 would be worse than 2008. Of course, it goes without saying that this would affect markets around the world.

Many people are fasting and praying for the upcoming elections, Cindy says. We don’t want to let up in this final press, we need to P.U.S.H. (pray until something happens) to avert financial judgment. On September 29 last month, the US stock market went down 777 points in one day. Cindy says it was no coincidence that this happened on the first day of the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah.

“This is so severe in the economic area because we are facing judgment from the actions, not only for our stance towards Israel, but our blatant sin against Him in passing laws such as the one allowing homosexual marriages,” Cindy said.

NO MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL

In early August in her prayer time Cindy heard the Lord say, “There will be no more business as usual.”

Little did she know the scope of what this meant on a worldwide scale. God is on the move. She and many others have taken this as a major point of intercession. She believes that just as there came a time when God judged the gods of Egypt, He is now judging the god of mammon. Nations are standing on the cusp of history that will determine their course for generations to come. God is judging the ideologies of nations. He is moving to put the fear of the Lord not only on His church; but upon the nations of the world.

For these and other reasons Cindy is calling for a Day of Prayer for the World’s Economies on Wednesday, October 29, 2008. They are calling for prayer for the stock markets, banks, and financial institutions of the world on the date the stock market crashed in 1929. They are meeting at the New York Stock Exchange, the Federal Reserve Bank, and its 12 principal branches around the US that day.

“We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the 'Lion’s Market,' or God’s control over the economic systems,” she said. “While we do not have the full revelation of all this will entail, we do know that without intercession, economies will crumble.”

Cindy is encouraging prayer groups to intercede for banks and financial institutions in your area. Cindy says each of us has to be accountable to the Lord.

“Don’t think you’re going to be in sin and that God will take care of you in these hard economic times. Holiness is key,” Cindy said. Each of us has a part to play and should not think that God will indiscriminately bless us without us dealing with personal areas that are wrong. We must repent of any misuse of money, think before we spend, get out of debt, etc., and allow God to do a course correction for us.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/cindy_jacobs102008.aspx

Soooooo..... God is judging the gods of mammon, yet they're praying for God to spare the financial markets, which one could argue are the very temples of mammon. They say they want the end of bull and bear markets, to be replaced by a "lion's market", though they don't have the foggiest idea of what a "lion's market" is.

[Kidlicious]

What the hell is mammon?

[Darius871]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon

[Kidlicious]

hack

[TheStinger]

Anglicans and catholics are pretty similar