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  • #91
    Originally posted by Blaupanzer
    As it turns out, most of you were hysterically overprojecting. The Russians had recognized South Ossetia for awhile, then leaped to its defense, chased the Georgians out and back to their own capitol, and are now demanding the "war criminal," Saak, step down. Cease fire in the meantime.

    The Russians primary weapon for use on NATO is to cut off the natural gas and oil lines to western Europe.

    As for the US, they could have deployed air units to Tblisi in a day or less, if they really wanted to tick off the Sovi .. er, er, Russians. No need.

    The Russians have notified all the border states, "Don't **** with us." Emphasis on that, period. No nuclear war this time either. These Russians have grandchildren too.
    A good analysis.

    I think the result will be the rapid NATOifcation of Eastern Europe and the Caucases. I won't be surprised to see also the Central Asia nations gathering into a defense pact, maybe with China.

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    • #92
      we're leaving Iraq
      I'll believe it when I see it. Given the negotations over the "Status of Forces" agreement, I have my doubts.

      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #93
        The next year or so should reveal alot about the assumptions we make.
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        Civilization player since the dawn of time

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        • #94
          Next year Obama will be President.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #95
            We'll see.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #96
              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
              Next year Obama will be President.
              Either that or we'll have four more years of Washington gridlock.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                Next year Obama will be President.
                You know what kind of voting "irregularities" happened last two times. What do the Democrats have to counter that?
                Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by snoopy369


                  Ben, you're hilarious. I hope you're heading off to clown college, 'cause you could cite that post as your entrance essay.


                  I agree.
                  Ben, that was pure BS, dude.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                    I don't think it would be an issue if the Americans chose to do that in the Black sea.
                    Black sea is a death trap for your air carrier group.

                    That would be an excellent idea.
                    To split Ukraine on half.
                    Don't you understand that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT TO BE IN NATO?

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                    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                      When's the last time the Russian navy actually defeated anyone?
                      I think it was when John Paul Jones commanded them in a war against the Turks.

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                      • Originally posted by Serb

                        Don't you understand that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT TO BE IN NATO?
                        And what comprehensive polling data do you base this on?
                        Unbelievable!

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                        • Public-opinion polls.

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                          • Black sea is a death trap for your air carrier group.
                            10 years ago, sure. Now the Black sea fleet has one cruiser and 3 destroyers.

                            With the support of the Turks, and the Ukrainians, I don't think the Americans have anything to fear from the Russians. Heck, what's your primary port, Azov? If the Americans are operating out of Sevastopol, then I'm not sure what they have to be worried about.

                            To split Ukraine on half.
                            Don't you understand that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT TO BE IN NATO?
                            Western Ukrainians aren't even Ukrainians per se, and have much more in common with the Hungarians.

                            Have you factored them into your calculations?
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                            • Originally posted by Serb
                              Public-opinion polls.
                              I know that; obviously I was asking for which and by whom, i.e. links.
                              Unbelievable!

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                              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

                                Western Ukrainians aren't even Ukrainians per se, and have much more in common with the Hungarians.

                                Have you factored them into your calculations?
                                With a war in Ukraine, comes a humanitarian crisis. Western Ukrainian refugees will flee to Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and other states within the EU, and those that remain will be overwhelmed by a Russian Ukrainian majority. There you go, problem solved.

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