Colorado Going Color Blind

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Since I've proven that women for the last 5 years receive PhD's more often then men, the burden is now on you to show that there is a differential in the hiring rates.

All else being equal, we would expect there to be no difference.

There was a difference 20 years ago. You have to show that it has changed.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

I have.

Your turn.

Why am I the only one who has to cite facts? Is poly a fact free zone?

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Patroklos
I agree, you should be able to spend your money on whatever you want as a private (non profit) organization.

Consider the reaction if some organization offered scholarships only to white males.

I have nothing against socio-economic criteria being used. Using race is stupid.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lorizael
No. Affirmative action is always inefficient and discriminatory; it's just easier to justify when racism still exists.

The effects of racism are more harmful to individuals and society in general than the inefficiencies of AA. Until racism and the legacy of past discrimination has finally been reduced tot he point that AA causes more harm than good (a point we are no where close to being), opposing it is being racist.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why am I the only one who has to cite facts? Is poly a fact free zone?

Because, 95% of the time, your facts are wrong and your reasoning is outside the realm of logic. Recently, you've proven to be so spectacularly idiotic in your posts that I'm surprised people even take you seriously anymore.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The effects of racism are more harmful to individuals and society in general than the inefficiencies of AA. Until racism and the legacy of past discrimination has finally been reduced tot he point that AA causes more harm than good (a point we are no where close to being), opposing it is being racist.

Well sure, I guess you could call that racist if you change the meaning of the word. And hey, if that's what you want to do, I'm more than willing to play along.

If I'm racist, then you're fastidious* and object-oriented**

* new definition: incapable of forming coherent arguments

** new definition: prone to issuing petty, unhelpful insults

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Lorizael
No. Affirmative action is always inefficient and discriminatory; it's just easier to justify when racism still exists.

The effects of racism are more harmful to individuals and society in general than the inefficiencies of AA. Until racism and the legacy of past discrimination has finally been reduced tot he point that AA causes more harm than good (a point we are no where close to being), opposing it is being racist.

If opposing discrimination on the basis of race is being racist...

[Ben Kenobi]

Because, 95% of the time, your facts are wrong and your reasoning is outside the realm of logic. Recently, you've proven to be so spectacularly idiotic in your posts that I'm surprised people even take you seriously anymore.

I don't understand that way of seeing things. I disagree with lots of people. That doesn't make them stupid. Why do you believe that people who come to the opposite conclusion you do are automatically stupid?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I don't understand that way of seeing things. I disagree with lots of people. That doesn't make them stupid. Why do you believe that people who come to the opposite conclusion you do are automatically stupid?

He doesn't. Che doesn't believe that those who are intelligent but on the other side is stupid. Only those who are actually, in fact, stupid get tarred by that.

[Ben Kenobi]

He doesn't. Che doesn't believe that those who are intelligent but on the other side is stupid. Only those who are actually, in fact, stupid get tarred by that.

I don't think either you or Che are stupid.

Is it too much to ask the same courtesy in return?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I have.

Your turn.

Why am I the only one who has to cite facts? Is poly a fact free zone?

I hadn't looked at your cite yet, I was explaining why you were required to provide one.

JM

[Kuciwalker]

Object-oriented people

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I don't think either you or Che are stupid.

Is it too much to ask the same courtesy in return?

If you want me to treat you as intelligent, you must at intelligent. I treat everyone as if they are intelligent, until they prove me otherwise. You have, I am sorry to say, consistently proven otherwise.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Well sure, I guess you could call that racist if you change the meaning of the word. And hey, if that's what you want to do, I'm more than willing to play along.

Yes, I would call trying to end one of the few programs we have which has helped to ameliorate racism, racist. You are trying to stop racism from being ended, and thus causing racism to continue. That makes you racist.

[DinoDoc]

Che: How does one work for ending the pernicious influence of social attitudes that treat people differently on the basis of race by working to enshrine programs that treat people differently on the basis of race?