Here we go again...

[Ben Kenobi]

Whoa, did this thread get derailed a bit at some point...?

Yep.

Why don't you stick to the program here Asher. This is about guns not gays.

Why do you have to bring gays into everything?

homophobic homosexual born again Christians such as yourself.

Hmm.

First off I'm not afraid of teh gays so why would I be a homophobe?

Secondly, I'm sorry Asher, I'm not gay, I don't swing that way.

Third, Catholics are born again Christians? News to me.

I guess 0/3 is par for the course.

If they also were as stupid as you and thought laws are only to be followed if they personally thought they were just,

Laws which contradict the constitution are unjust and ought to be broken. Same as what Dr. King says. Gun free zones in universities are unconstitutional.

Oh, and I happen to think Ernest is hilarious!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Yep.

Why don't you stick to the program here Asher. This is about guns not gays.

Why do you have to bring gays into everything?

The gay marriage thing is just a perfect counterexample to your logic.

You think if people think it's unlawful, it's okay not to obey the laws. Yet when people start marrying eachother of the same gender, you freak out.

You're utterly retarded and I'm having a helluva time trying to figure out how to communicate with you. I've had better luck getting through to an autistic retarded pitbull.

[Asher]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
Why would gays want to get married in the first place if it's just a Christian religious tradition?

Because it's not a Christian religious tradition. It predates Christianity and many religions have marriage, and non-religious people marry as well.

God damn, you Christians sure are arrogant ignorant tw@ts. Get off it, there are other people in this world than you and your dimwitted ilk.

[Ben Kenobi]

The gay marriage thing is just a perfect counterexample to your logic.

You always bring gays into every discussion. Why don't you catch up with the program?

You think if people think it's unlawful, it's okay not to obey the laws.

I guess I have to repeat what I said.

1. If a local law violates the constitution AND
2. You believe the law to be unjust

3. Therefore, you ought to obey the constitution and refuse to abide by the unconstitutional law.

Gay marriage itself is unconstitutional, so your analogy fails.

Yet when people start marrying eachother of the same gender, you freak out.

I have no problems with gay people holding marriage ceremonies. I think I said that already. If gay people want to call themselves married, then that's their right.

You're utterly retarded and I'm having a helluva time trying to figure out how to communicate with you. I've had better luck getting through to an autistic retarded pitbull.

You spend hours arguing with pitbulls?

[Asher]

You spend hours arguing with pitbulls?

No, they get it faster than you do.

It is not unconstitutional to have gun-free zones. The Supreme Court disagrees with you. You are ****ing wrong. Get over it.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, they get it faster than you do.

Do they roll over and beg for a tummy rub?

[Asher]

I don't know, do you?

[MOBIUS]

OK, own up!

Whose DL is Ben Kenobi!!???

This guy is a freaking lunatic - he can't possibly be for real...

[mrboo123]

I don't really post much there but I might of noticed something...

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Scalia by referring to buildings, clearly means that it's ok for a school to post that you are not allowed to carry a gun into the school.

Clearly the obnoxious gun free zones on campus grounds are unconstitutional. I hope someone hauls a student to courts soon over this issue, because he brought a gun on campus.

If I understand you correctly, your fine with the campus buildings being "gun-free", but the outside campus not. If that was the case, won't that still make the campus still "gun-free" to the actually users, unless they put there gun somewhere outside before they go inside for class?

[Ben Kenobi]

If I understand you correctly, your fine with the campus buildings being "gun-free", but the outside campus not. If that was the case, won't that still make the campus still "gun-free" to the actually users, unless they put there gun somewhere outside before they go inside for class?

Yes, I'm ok with that. Remember, just because some buildings would bar guns, doesn't mean that all of them would. I can see a hospital on campus banning them for sure.

They could put their gun in a locker or something if the building they entered was gun free, or they could park and leave their gun in their vehicle.

The problem with having the entire campus as a gun free zone, is that campus is a big place. It's not very safe, especially at night.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Julian Delphiki
Legal reasons, equality etc? It's not like Christianity has monopoly on marriage anyway.

No, but it just seems bizarre (to me) that they'd want to partake in something like that.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Asher
Because it's not a Christian religious tradition. It predates Christianity and many religions have marriage, and non-religious people marry as well.

I knew it predated Christianity, but I thought that marriage was a religious tradition and not a secular one. That said, I don't think the state has any business in marriage.

God damn, you Christians sure are arrogant ignorant tw@ts. Get off it, there are other people in this world than you and your dimwitted ilk.

Read my post above... don't you think you kind of jumped to a conclusion there?

[Asher]

Never.

[chequita guevara]

BK, this is one of those places where you are proving you are not intelligent. A person who breaks the law, by definition, cannot be law-abiding. If you abide by the law, you aren't breaking it. If you break the law, you aren't abiding by it. That freaking simple.

So yes, Rosa Parks was breaking the law. That doesn't mean she was wrong. But, she was willing to go to jail to prove her point. The Civil Rights movement never said to break the law and try and get away with it. They tried to get arrested to break the system. The threw their careers, their freedom, their bodies, and even their lives, into the gears to try and break the machine. Not all of them made it through to see the other side, but break the machine they did.

[Ben Kenobi]

BK, this is one of those places where you are proving you are not intelligent. A person who breaks the law, by definition, cannot be law-abiding. If you abide by the law, you aren't breaking it. If you break the law, you aren't abiding by it. That freaking simple.

You missed my point. She was law abiding, in that she obeyed the highest law of the land, the constitution. How can you say that she was not law abiding, when she appealed to the higher law rather then the lower law?

I accept that she broke a law, but the law has no force, because it violates a higher law.

Once again, just because a person disagrees with you, doesn't make them stupid Che.