Now that Obama has declared victory... Why is he so weak?

[Ben Kenobi]

You have a reasonably good condition used car I could buy?

[Wezil]

If you plan on preparing for 2.5 years, then yes. I'd even give you a good deal.

I made the same offer to Kid but he didn't want to wait that long.

[-Jrabbit]

People on the fence will, on balance, tend to vote for Obama for two primary reasons:

1. McCain is just vulnerable. He has flip-flopped on a lot of issues since his last run, and he's pretty damned old.

2. The realization that if they deny the presidency to Obama -- arguably the whitest black man in American politics -- they can look forward to a future of angry, bitter black men for the rest of their lives.

[DinoDoc]

That second one doesn't really sound like a good reason to vote for him.

[asleepathewheel]

so that 80k crowd in Oregon saw the Decemberists open for Obama? ****, I would have gone too for that.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200805/COM20080521e.html

[Dinner]

Har har har.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Wezil


As with Celine Dion - All sales are final. No refunds.

Ben is yours now.

That's just not fair.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
so that 80k crowd in Oregon saw the Decemberists open for Obama? ****, I would have gone too for that.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentar...20080521e.html

Wait... So that "article" (I use the term loosely) is claiming the Decemberists are communists?

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
That second one doesn't really sound like a good reason to vote for him.

1. Half-joking, dude. But only half.
2. Never said either was a good reason

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

The fact that he lost to Hillary by 10 percentage points, and the fact that he only carried the Philadelphia city is cause for concern. Neither of these are subject to partisan analysis. It's a fact that Obama does terrible among rural voters and small cities no matter where he does. He needs these people who are voting Hillary to back him or he will lose to McCain.

Hillary was a fellow Democrat, and the Democrats rarely win the rural districts anyways.

As the two polls I posted show, most Hillary supporters will back Obama, meaning he will carry the urban areas, and like any democrat, lose the rural counties.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hillary was a fellow Democrat, and the Democrats rarely win the rural districts anyways.

As the two polls I posted show, most Hillary supporters will back Obama, meaning he will carry the urban areas, and like any democrat, lose the rural counties.

And that will mean a loss in PA.

Obama's problem isn't in just the rural areas, but in Pittsburgh, Erie and Scranton. He was crushed by Hillary.

[-Jrabbit]

Ben, your assumption seems to be that most blue collar Dems will either vote McCain or sit out the election. That's just fundamentally flawed.

[Bosh]

In a lot of the polls McCain is doing better among women and Obama is doing better among men. There's no way in hell this is going to happen, even if Obama does lose there's no way this campaign will reverse the traditional gender gap.

Once Clinton supporters start facing the facts you'll see a bit boost in Obama's poll numbers.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


And that will mean a loss in PA.

Obama's problem isn't in just the rural areas, but in Pittsburgh, Erie and Scranton. He was crushed by Hillary.

So?

McCain was annihilated in Utah in the primary. Do you think that he won't win there in the general?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

And that will mean a loss in PA.

Democrats won Pennsylvania in 2000 and 2004, and both times they won only the urban areas and lost all rural counties.

Obama's problem isn't in just the rural areas, but in Pittsburgh, Erie and Scranton. He was crushed by Hillary.

I will say this the last time: He lost a primary amongst DEMOCRATS to Hillary. He will probably, as the POLLS I POSTED SHOW, win the votes of the mayority of Democrats again in the Urban areas.

So again, do you have any evidence to support your assestion about Pennsylvania?