Is Bush the worst president, ever?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So the fact that the bad guys killed people means that Americans are to blame?

When the US invasion destabilizes things to such a degree that bad guys are able to run free... the one good thing about strongmen is they keep a lid on sectarian violence, usually by doing a little bit of their own, but it ends up killing less than all out civil war (in addition to Hussein, Tito of Yugoslavia is a decent model).

[Lonestar]

Unless Bush ****s on his ass and does nothing as half the country tries to leave, then he still won't be the worst president ever.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Funny thing 100 years from now students will be studying Ann Coulter.

You mean they'll have figured out what caused her mental break down?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Oh true. File that under 'Clinton, Bill'. I'd say the measure of Bush is that you had the one, and not more since then.

The U.S. stopped a major terrorist attack on American soil under Clinton's watch. His administration then made a major effort to begin a counter-terrorism effort, which was terminated the moment Bush came in to office. 9/11 was not Clinton's fault, whatever faults he made have had.

Oh, there isn't. How do you define democracy?

I define it as "the people rule." In Afghanistan, the warlords rule.

A million? A tad bit of exaggeration there. There hasn't been 4k casulties in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As has been pointed out to you, Iraqis are people too. And yes, if America removed the cork, it is responsible for the genie.

Which is why Saddam was gassing them up until their defeat?

The last gas attack was in 1988. If Hussein had been gassing the Kurds right up to his defeat, that would be evidence he had WMDs, the same WMDs we never found.

Define democracy for me please.

See above. There is no popular rule in Iraq. The Sunnis are under-represented and the Maliki government is attacking the largest Shia organization in order to prevent it from increasing its representation in October. Plus, real power is still in the hands of the U.S.

So better to lower trade with Canada, no the only problem is that there still is a tariff.

I don't care about lumber tarrifs.

You'd rather be taxed 100 percent and have no deficit?

Yes, because the opposite of tax cuts is a 100% tax. :roll eyes:

What advent? Embryonic stem cells have done nothing. Adult cells are still funded and have had many, many breakthroughs. Why should state money be wasted on a dead end.

We don't know its a dead end because we haven't been able to research it.

Interesting fact, is that Republicans rank Bush in the top 6, and Democrats rank him in the bottom 6, so obviously we will have to wait to get an accurate assessment.

Interesting fact, Republicans and Democrats are stupid.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

So the fact that the bad guys killed people means that Americans are to blame?

When the lack of medicine, clean water, electricity, and basic food supplies can be traced to sanctions and invasion, yes it means we share a good portion of the blame.

[DinoDoc]

We don't know its a dead end because we haven't been able to research it.

Why? It isn't as if Bush banned research into the subject.

[Ben Kenobi]

When the lack of medicine, clean water, electricity, and basic food supplies can be traced to sanctions and invasion, yes it means we share a good portion of the blame.

Seems to me more suicide bombers, are responsible for the bulk of the civilian deaths. I'm appalled that the folks rooting against the war being won are blaming the US for deaths they did not cause.

[Ben Kenobi]

The U.S. stopped a major terrorist attack on American soil under Clinton's watch. His administration then made a major effort to begin a counter-terrorism effort, which was terminated the moment Bush came in to office. 9/11 was not Clinton's fault, whatever faults he made have had.

Which is why you've had terrorists since then, and why it happened less then 6 months into his adminstration.

I'm sorry Che, that won't fly. I don't buy it that Bush was responsible for the institutional differences.

I define it as "the people rule." In Afghanistan, the warlords rule.

So unless they have communists it ain't democracy. I suppose Italy is no longer a democracy either.

As has been pointed out to you, Iraqis are people too. And yes, if America removed the cork, it is responsible for the genie.

How are they responsible for the foreign suicide bombers that target Iraqi citizens?

The last gas attack was in 1988. If Hussein had been gassing the Kurds right up to his defeat, that would be evidence he had WMDs, the same WMDs we never found.

Oh, so because he stopped gassing them that made him an alright fellow. I thought Kurds were people too Che, or maybe they don't count at all?

See above. There is no popular rule in Iraq. The Sunnis are under-represented

So are folks here in BC. Do we live in a democracy.

and the Maliki government is attacking the largest Shia organization in order to prevent it from increasing its representation in October.

Wow, same as the liberals up here. Sounds like they are getting the hang of it.

Plus, real power is still in the hands of the U.S.

Still not seeing any differences between Iraq and Canada.

I don't care about lumber tarrifs.

Other people do. Pity, you should.

Yes, because the opposite of tax cuts is a 100% tax. :roll eyes:

Would you? Yes or no, not a hard question.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Still not seeing any differences between Iraq and Canada.

[jkp1187]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Bush is number one for haters. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet. That would bump him up to Lincoln.

...or at least JFK, who is number one on the list of OVER-rated Presidents, just edging out a three-way tie between LBJ, Woodrow Wilson, and Teddy Roosevelt.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think Ben has gone crazy.

So unless they have communists it ain't democracy. I suppose Italy is no longer a democracy either.

I don't think many people think Afghanistan is a democracy. It isn't because of communists or not, but because the rulers are individual warlords who rule over pieces of Afghanistan, not the people.

How are they responsible for the foreign suicide bombers that target Iraqi citizens?

So destabilizing the region doesn't mean anything to you?

Oh, so because he stopped gassing them that made him an alright fellow. I thought Kurds were people too Che, or maybe they don't count at all?

Uh... he never said Saddam was an ok fellow, but was responding to you saying the Kurds got their freedom and autonomy due to the Bush invasion and saying Saddam was gassing them up until it.

Do keep up with your own arguments, will you?

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't know about you, but when Saddam comes up to me and says, "hey, you know that whole gassing Kurds thing, I'm done with it. It just got so boring. I swear I've stopped gassing them," I'm just a wee bit suspicious.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I don't know about you, but when Saddam comes up to me and says, "hey, you know that whole gassing Kurds thing, I'm done with it. It just got so boring. I swear I've stopped gassing them," I'm just a wee bit suspicious.

Are you drinking?

The Kurds were basically autonomous due to no-fly zones and the like and Saddam being kept in check by constant checking up on him.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you drinking?

Signs point to yes.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Seems to me more suicide bombers, are responsible for the bulk of the civilian deaths. I'm appalled that the folks rooting against the war being won are blaming the US for deaths they did not cause.

The bulk of the violent deaths came from intersecterian fighting, the result of the inability of the US to create stability in the country.

There are also deaths from the lack of basic services, which most people don't count, but the failure of this administration to have a solid plan for the aftermath of the fighting is one of the causes for the deaths of those people.

It is correct to blame this amdinistration for the thousands of people who have died due to the bad or non-existant planning done about how to manage the occupation after Saddam's Army was defeated.