Women - Pretentious or Prudish?

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Such as?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7348548.stm

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I might be familiar with those as well, but I am refering to the following story:

Boy has interest, girl has great long hair. Girl likes a nice brush, boy likes something to improve interest. For Christmas/etc, girl cuts off hair to buy something to improve interest, boy sells interest to by brush that girl wanted.

This is of course told in the most boring fashion possible.

JM

Gift of the Magi (O.Henry)

Standard high school fare.

[Jon Miller]

Yeah, I was pretty sure you had read it.

Just didn't remember the name or such details.

JM
(the boring rendition is my own)

[Ben Kenobi]

Why is it sexual repression that draws those things out?

Are you saying that choosing celibacy is unhealthy?

[KrazyHorse]

Yes.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why is it sexual repression that draws those things out?

Are you saying that choosing celibacy is unhealthy?

For most people, I think yes.

The Bible encourages people to marry, not to be celibate (even Paul does so).

The celibacy issue is a tradition that somehow caught on in the late middle ages (or later?).

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Are you saying that choosing celibacy is unhealthy?

Ever hear of blue balls?

[Lancer]

Forceing the clergy to make such personal decisions is just silly. However if I were forced into celebacy I wouldn't start raping choir boys. There seems to be a deeper problem in the catholic church.

[b etor]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

Boy has interest, girl has great long hair. Girl likes a nice brush, boy likes something to improve interest. For Christmas/etc, girl cuts off hair to buy something to improve interest, boy sells interest to by brush that girl wanted.

This is of course told in the most boring fashion possible.

JM

mickey mouse once upon a christmas

[Ben Kenobi]

For most people, I think yes.

The Bible encourages people to marry, not to be celibate (even Paul does so).

The celibacy issue is a tradition that somehow caught on in the late middle ages (or later?).

The monastic life was there before Christ, if you remember what he said about the one who prepared his way.

There is nothing inherently unhealthy about celibacy. It is true that it should not be for everyone, but some would come to prefer celibacy over the married life.

Also, the Rule of St. Benedict dates back to 500 AD which is far before the medieval period .

[Jon Miller]

The catholic church enforces celibacy on all who wish to be nuns or priests

JM

[CrONoS]

Celibacy is for the elite!

Otherwise go play with your... how so lovely, joyful, irrationnal & female creature.

[Arrian]

There is nothing inherently unhealthy about celibacy

Bust it
This here's a tale for all the fellas,
try to do what those ladies tell us,
get shot down cuz you're over zealous.
play hard to get females get jealous.
Ok, smarty, go to a party.
girls are scantilly clad and showin' body,
a chick walks by, ya wish ya could sex her,
but she's in another world like you was poindexter.
Next day's function, high class luncheon.
Food is served, and you're stone cold munchin'.
Music comes on, people start to dance,
but then you ate so much you nearly split your pants.
A girl starts walkin', guys start gawkin',
sits down next to you and starts talkin'.
Says she wanna dance cuz she likes to groove,
so come on, fatso, and just bust a move .
You're on a mission,
and you're wishin' someone could cure your lonely condition.
Lookin' for love in all the wrong places,
no fine girls, just ugly faces.
From frustration, first inclination,
is to become a monk and leave the situation.
But ever dark tunnel has a light, I hope,
so don't hang yourself with a celibate rope.
New movie's showin', so you're goin',
could care less about the five you're blowin'.
Theatre gets dark just to start the show,
then you spot a fine woman sittin' in your row.
She's dressed in yellow, she says hello,
come sit next to me ya fine fellow.
You run over there without a second to lose,
and what comes next, hey, bust a move.
In the city, ladies look pretty,
guys tell jokes so they can seem witty.
Tell a funny joke just to get some play,
then you try to make a move and she says no way.
Girls are fakin', goodness sakin',
they want a man who brings home the bacon.
Got no money and got no car,
then you got no woman and there you are.
Some girls are sophistic, materialistic,
lookin' for a man makes them opportunistic.
They're lyin' on the beach, perpetratin' a tan
so that a brother with the money can be their man
So, on the beach start strollin', real high rollin',
everything you have is yours and not stolen.
A girl runs up with something to prove,
so don't just stand there, bust a move
Just bust a move
Break it down for me fellas
Your best friend ,Harry, has a brother Larry...
in five days from now he's gonna marry.
He's hopin' you can make it there, if you can,
cuz in the ceremony you'll be the best man.
You say neato, check your libido,
and roll to the church in your new tuxedo.
The bride walks down, just to start the wedding...
and there's one more girl you won't be getting.
so you start thinkin', then ya start blinkin',
a bride maid looks and thinks that you're winkin'
She thinks you're kinda cute so she winks back
and now you're feeling really fine cuz the girl is stacked.
reception's jumpin', bass is pumpin',
look at the girl and your heart starts thumpin'.
Says she wanna dance to a different groove,
now you know what to do, g, bust a move.
Just bust a move
Move it boy.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Originally posted by b etor


mickey mouse once upon a christmas

Reminds me of a Maupassant story about a married couple who went to a fancy ball way above their station. The wife borrowed a wealthy friend's diamond necklace and looked suitably regal, but then lost it.

They never told the friend. Instead he bought another diamond necklace and got them deep into debt. They forsook their middle class trappings and took up menial jobs. Decades later, with their faces unrecognizable from the labor, she met the friend again and confessed to her.

Her friend took her hands and said "You should not have done that. The diamonds were only paste."

* ~ * ~ *

I heard that that story was based on a popular urban legend doing the rounds at that time, where a poor couple wanted to get each other a nice gift for their anniversary. The wife cut off her hair to buy her husband a watch chain. The husband sold his watch to buy his wife a beautiful comb.

[Ben Kenobi]

The catholic church enforces celibacy on all who wish to be nuns or priests

True, and it's a good thing.

It's not a medieval invention either.

I'm not sure why you said that, it's been around since the church began in some way shape or form, as you can see from Apostle Paul's discussion.

Yes, Paul does say that people who want to get married should get married, but he also says that the one who is unmarried is free to devote himself solely to God.