America = 20th Century, Rest of World = 21st Century

[DinoDoc]

[Ben Kenobi]

America is a great country. I really don't understand why people would find it lacking. I haven't even been to Chicago or New York. I wouldn't want to live in Singapore. There is something to be said for older things and not the latest glitz and glamour.

[Patroklos]

This is Singapore

Thats nice. You realize absolutely nothing about the concept of a suburb dictates it has to be withing the physical city limits of the city it is a suburb of, right? In fact, it is normally not within the city limits.

sub·urb
–noun
1. a district lying immediately outside a city or town, esp. a smaller residential community.
2. the suburbs, the area composed of such districts.
3. an outlying part.

See, the red circle? That's the poorest part of Singapore. Very small area, in fact only about 6 miles in diameter.

Is it surrounded by walls topped with razor wire and machine gun armed guard towers? Do you give the Gamma's their daily penny wage before or after allowing them into your utopia of freshly painted never more than 2.56 day old fascades?

[FrostyBoy]

Please refer to original post if you have missed the point.

[Ben Kenobi]

I did. I've been to the US, and that wasn't my impression at all. The infrastructure is much, much better then up here and well maintained.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Thats nice. You realize absolutely nothing about the concept of a suburb dictates it has to be withing the physical city limits of the city it is a suburb of, right? In fact, it is normally not within the city limits.

sub·urb
–noun
1. a district lying immediately outside a city or town, esp. a smaller residential community.
2. the suburbs, the area composed of such districts.
3. an outlying part.

I understand that, but your point is that people are trying to live in the "pristine city", my point is that Singaporeans don't try to do that because they feel they are already within its boundaries, yknow? It's like a half an hr train ride south, or 20 minutes to the nearest big ass mall that has everything, or 30 mins to Orchard Road which makes Magnificent Mile look like Pathetic Path.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Is it surrounded by walls topped with razor wire and machine gun armed guard towers? Do you give the Gamma's their daily penny wage before or after allowing them into your utopia of freshly painted never more than 2.56 day old fascades?

uh, no..

[DaShi]

Just go to Little India in Singapore and Frostyboy loses this argument.

I remember staying in a hotel there. One night there were these terrible screams coming from somewhere in the building. The next morning, cops were knocking on my door asking if there was anyone else in my room. Of course, a quick glance at the small room showed them that there was no one else(I disposed of my dead hooker during the night, like you're supposed to). I soon packed up my stuff and headed to a better hotel.

[Patroklos]

Those buildings are called HDB's, they were built this way to house the people with limited space.

Oh, I see, I was under the impression that that the desperately poor from the sums surrounding the city (or what the rest of the world calls suburbs) provided the people who build your buildings and drove your cabs. Now I get it, you pay ivy league mechanical engineers to do your such jobs.

Two questions then:

1.) How do you keep the 4.0 Ivy League graduate aeronautical engineer high rise constuction workers from throwing themselves out of your ivory towers out of bordom?

2.) Who cleans up the thousands of dead Maylays that must be machined gunned at the border trying to infiltrate your paridise? Probably those lowly 3.8 GPA Compter Engineers, right

Or maybe you can answer my question...

"And more to the point, how many of the workers of Singapore live in the city proper? That place sure looks beyond the means of your average taxi driver to me..."

I understand that, but your point is that people are trying to live in the "pristine city", my point is that Singaporeans don't try to do that because they feel they are already within its boundaries, yknow?

No, you do not get it. Singapore, the whole thing, is a city. The suburbs of Singapore are by definition not Singapore itself, and thus the suburbanites of Singapore are not Singaporeans. They are the Maylays of the picture I posted. I drive farther to work every day than the distance between that slum and Singapores city center.

[FrostyBoy]

But Ben, I already am aware that America has many amazing spots, but I am talking about its big cities, primarily Chicago and New York.

I am only discussing Chicago coz I have been there, mingled in with its workers, its offices, did this, did that, I was not your average tourist, I was a "citizen". So I do not feel I am taking my stance on Chicago from an ignorant viewpoint.

[Aeson]

There are some really crappy places here in the US.

I don't believe for a moment that there aren't any crappy places or people struggling in Singapore.

[FrostyBoy]

Dashi, Singapore gave the Indians their own little town to do what they want.
Mistake on your part to get a hotel there. Should have chosen Bugis area or Geylang if you wanted a cheap room. But nothing wrong with Little India, safe as it can get, what you experienced (I find hard to believe) was probably the typical conversation between an indian man and his wife or girlfriend. Indians


Patroklos, I live in the middle to the right of Singapore. My office is near the centre bottom (the main part of the city). It would take me half an hour by MRT, or 1 hour by bus, or half an hr by taxi.

For Yishun, obviously a bit longer, but not as bad. All of Singapore is easily accessible, and will be even more accessible when the new circle line is up - another project to make life easier.

Something I don't see Chicago doing. Last thing I heard was Trumps new building, which doesn't look that fantastic, and that spiral one, which does look interesting, but come on, what's with the big buildings, what about the people down below? What about improving transportation, improving living standards, cards, etc? These things are more important than high rise buildings, is it not?

[Ben Kenobi]

But Ben, I already am aware that America has many amazing spots, but I am talking about its big cities, primarily Chicago and New York.

I can't comment on them. I've never been there before.

I am only discussing Chicago coz I have been there, mingled in with its workers, its offices, did this, did that, I was not your average tourist, I was a "citizen". So I do not feel I am taking my stance on Chicago from an ignorant viewpoint.

Oh, no, I'll let the Chicago residents say that. I just wanted to put in my own two cents.

[FrostyBoy]

Aeson, of course there are, but they are above standard. If there are any really run-down units of an HDB room, that is at the privacy of the owner, but I think government would step in if things got really bad.

If someone in Singapore is struggling, it's not because of lack of employment, anyone can get a job here and make enough money to live decently.

Usually it is due to mental issues, laziness, retired, sick or just don't care, but these people are almost impossible to find. You would have to go to the back streets of Geylang to find one or two, and that's about as bad as it gets.

[SlowwHand]

Oh, come on. How many sheep shaggers do you really need?