America = 20th Century, Rest of World = 21st Century

[Riesstiu IV]

Are you so vain that you're bothered by anything that is over 10 years old?

[Will9]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy

You will be hard pressed to find a car older than 10 years in Singapore, and pretty much impossible to find a dirty one.

How many people owned a car in Singapore 10 years ago?

[Patroklos]

In any case, it is just a different philosophy. In Singapore millions are desperate to escape the slums that make up most of the country to the pristine city, where as in America millions are desperate to escape the cities to the pristine subarbs that make up most of our country.

Lets do another comparison

Suburbs in the US:


Suburbs in Singapore:


Tell us again on how much money is funneled into rebuilding your subway stations every ten years or so?

EDIT: I am not a fan of suburbia of urban sprawl, I personally prefer a semiurban town type development.

[FrostyBoy]

Patroklos, I don't know what that image is, is that the train to Malaysia?

As for proving Singapore's upgrading, it is difficult to prove unless you live here and witness the changes. But believe me, Singapore has plenty of tricks up its sleeve to build whatever they need.

[snoopy369]

Sorry Frostyboy, you're entirely hilarious, but you are comparing two very different things here (and doing so poorly).

First off, Singapore is a city where you live IN the city if you have money. Chicago is the opposite - you live OUT OF the city if you have money, unless you're a 25ish year old and single, and want to be near clubs/bars/hip spots and don't care about much else. Ride the Metra and you'll find a much nicer train line (our train that goes to the suburbs). The El is quite functional for what it is, and the Red Line is one of the oldest = worst looking; yet it still manages to get a very large number of people to work and back again with no problem.

Basically at the root of things, you're saying that Singapore spends money very wastefully for the purpose of looking pretty, while Chicago doesn't. I'm glad I live in Chicago, and don't pay the taxes you must pay... or else don't have to live with myself knowing about the slave labor you must employ to keep the city looking like that. I wish it would look nice also, but I'm not going to pay 70% taxes or something like that in order to support that... I already pay in the mid 30s and that's getting ridiculous. I want a "City that Works" - Chicago

[FrostyBoy]

again, NOT Singapore

Singapore does not have any slums, they are not desperate to get to the "pristine city". Don't forget, Singapore is small, wherever you are, you are IN the city.

[Patroklos]

As for proving Singapore's upgrading, it is difficult to prove unless you live here and witness the changes. But believe me, Singapore has plenty of tricks up its sleeve to build whatever they need.

Do those tricks include rounding up the sub humans in the above slums to build such granduer for pennies so that they can longinly look at such crystal palaces from their open sewers?

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy
Hmm.. perhaps the image had been flipped? It does kinda look like chicago. I better check again. Anyway my point is that Chicago barely has any modern cars - and clean ones at that.

You will be hard pressed to find a car older than 10 years in Singapore, and pretty much impossible to find a dirty one.


edit: Ok that image of the cars is London, no wonder that red bus had me confused.

It looks nothing like cars in Chicago, we'd never use that ugly red pavement. I live on the south side, and even there most of the cars are 10 years old or less. Frankly I wish I saw more cars >10 years old - I think the fact that our cars are this new implies they don't last very long and/or can't easily be kept in repair, and that is a bad sign IMO.

[FrostyBoy]

I think the tax rate in Singapore is about 12 or 13%.

I would rather live in a clean, well functioning city, such as Singapore, than a dying but still working city like Chicago.

Saying what you said is like sticking with your Commodore 64 just because it works and you like it.

[FrostyBoy]

shhh snoopy, calm down, I already stated that it is not Chicago.

Patroklos, no.... slums.... in.... Singapore.... no, really, it's true.

[Patroklos]

Singapore does not have any slums, they are not desperate to get to the "pristine city". Don't forget, Singapore is small, wherever you are, you are IN the city.

Just because your suburbs are not in Singapore the country, does not mean they are not the suburbs of Singapore the city.

Patroklos, no.... slums.... in.... Singapore.... no, really, it's true.

Well in that case Manhattan doesn't have any slums either. While factually true geopraphically, we all know it is bull****.

So where do the poor people live in Singapore? And more to the point, how many of the workers of Singapore live in the city proper? That place sure looks beyond the means of your average taxi driver to me... (especially since you are forcing him to buy a new taxi every 3.45 days).

[FrostyBoy]

I think I need to educate you

[Patroklos]

I pretty sure I phased the above in the form of a question.

[FrostyBoy]

This is Singapore

See, the red circle? That's the poorest part of Singapore. Very small area, in fact only about 6 miles in diameter.

[FrostyBoy]

Now, an area inside that circle is called Yishun.

Here is a pic of Yishun (your slums):




Those buildings are called HDB's, they were built this way to house the people with limited space. Let's have a look inside one of those units:



Not too bad for poor people.