Canadian aggressors threaten America's Oil Supply

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well sorry for defending y'all.

My point is that you're choosing the wrong point of attack if you want to attack the consistency of the Canadian position.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
My point is that you're choosing the wrong point of attack if you want to attack the consistency of the Canadian position.

How is it inconsistent to participate in NATO or UN endorsed uses of the military?

What part about the Iraq adventure being outlaw do you not understand?

I was in favour of going into Iraq, but I also understrand why many countries were against it and why they did not participate.

[Wezil]

Ben also overlooks the fact that a majority of Canadians are against participation in the Iraq war. He is most definitely in the minority with his position. Therefore Cdns are clearly better off in this regard under Ottawa than Washington. His argument is not relevant to the original point.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What part about the Iraq adventure being outlaw do you not understand?

There's no arguement you can make to justify Kosovo that doesn't justify Iraq.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben also overlooks the fact that a majority of Canadians are against participation in the Iraq war. He is most definitely in the minority with his position.

Where did I say I supported the decision to go?

I already said, my position is in the minority because I believe neither one was justified.

I am also saying that I believe the American position to be more consistant then the Canadian one. That says nothing about what I personally believe to say that the American position is superior.

Therefore Cdns are clearly better off in this regard under Ottawa than Washington. His argument is not relevant to the original point.

That a significant minority of Canadians, many of them concentrated in Alberta believe that they would be better as Americans under Washington then Canadians under Ottawa?

I'm not sure how what you said refutes any of that assertion.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Most conservatives feel that Canada has passed them by and look to the US for inspiration. There has been precious little here for them to work with for a long time.

I have to question your understanding of Conservatism in Canada.

I gather that you are at serious odds, personally, with the direction things are going federally and in many provinces. I detect a personal alienation that may go well beyond politics. However, I think you are conflating your own journey with the views of others.

Yes, Alberta is more conservative than most other parts of Canada. But that doesn't mean that people here by and large are not very attached to Canada. I have no idea where you could arrive at your position that 'conservatives have no future in Canada' unless from a sense of personal alienation and wanting others to feel the same way. Some no doubt do, but to call them a minority would be to exaggerate their number.

Yes, most of us would like Canada to work better (admittedly work better by our own definition) but that doesn't mean there is any raging appetite for throwing away our heritage and walking away from a promising future.

After all, why would the average Albertan be in favour of becoming the 51st cog (or worse, a territory) and a small fish in a large pond, when the future where we are holds the promise of being a large fish in a pond most of us are more comfortable in to begin with despite sometimes rough fraternal rivalries?

Hell, beating the hell out of each other verbally, in business, on the rink, and just about everywhere else is second nature to people in Edmonton and Calgary. We shout loudly at each other, and so when it comes to 'us' we unite versus the 'them' bastids from down East, or Saskatchewan.

It's when Albertans stop agitating that the rest of Canada should be worried. That'll mean we're either the size of Quebec or we simply no longer care. The former would be OK, the later would not be positive.

All that being said, touch the oil and it's on! And if the Yanks look sideways at us, we'll 1812 their asses!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
There's no arguement you can make to justify Kosovo that doesn't justify Iraq.

International agreements and the rule of law.

[Kuciwalker]

That's about the worst point to argue him on.

[notyoueither]

Why?

[Dauphin]

Dino doesn't believe in them?

[DinoDoc]

They support my position.

[notyoueither]

They also support Canada's.

[Ben Kenobi]

I gather that you are at serious odds, personally, with the direction things are going federally and in many provinces. I detect a personal alienation that may go well beyond politics. However, I think you are conflating your own journey with the views of others.

You are very perceptive NYE.

I have always felt some degree of alienation, growing up in Northern BC. I felt that there was some hope for Canada when I was younger in the Reform Party. I was one of the folks who was saying that the West wants in to their fair share of representation. I believed very strongly that the West ought to be more representative, but even then my loyalty was more to the concept of the West then to my own province, or to Canada as a whole. I didn't have much in common with the powers that be in Vancouver or Victoria, much more with Calgary and Edmonton.

The last 5 years have been disastrous ones if you sincerely believe in the preservation of canadian heritage. However you are very right that recent events are colouring my perception.

If you want I'll send you a pm.

Some no doubt do, but to call them a minority would be to exaggerate their number.

Different crowds. Let me put it this way. Support for annexation would be higher in Alberta then anywhere else.

I don't see much of a choice. We have already lost so much of our heritage, and what made us Canadian. The choice is not between fighting to preserve our heritage, but to keep the scraps that are left or to leave and go elsewhere.

After all, why would the average Albertan be in favour of becoming the 51st cog (or worse, a territory) and a small fish in a large pond, when the future where we are holds the promise of being a large fish in a pond most of us are more comfortable in to begin with despite sometimes rough fraternal rivalries?

Good question. Maybe you should start by asking why I feel there is more future in the US. The US is very strong with their states, so Alberta would gain more control over their economy without the burdens placed on by Canada. They wouldn't be saddled by the large federal debt, and they would have access to an enormous amount of investment.

It's when Albertans stop agitating that the rest of Canada should be worried. That'll mean we're either the size of Quebec or we simply no longer care. The former would be OK, the later would not be positive.

Well I cannot see any reason to raise arms against the Americans. What would I be defending here in Canada? Is the sole reason why Canada is superior is because they support a war that I think is wrong?!

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Where did I say I supported the decision to go?

I already said, my position is in the minority because I believe neither one was justified.

I am also saying that I believe the American position to be more consistant then the Canadian one. That says nothing about what I personally believe to say that the American position is superior.



That a significant minority of Canadians, many of them concentrated in Alberta believe that they would be better as Americans under Washington then Canadians under Ottawa?

I'm not sure how what you said refutes any of that assertion.

Bah. You squirm and evade worse than Kid.

[Kuciwalker]

No he doesn't