Canadian aggressors threaten America's Oil Supply

[Ben Kenobi]

You seriously can't comprehend the differences between Afghanistan and Iraq and why Canada is in one but not the other? Is it too difficult for you or are you just too brainwashed?

No I don't. Please explain to me the nuances of this position, and why it's superior to going to both, and going to neither.

I'm serious. I cannot see why out of the three options the route the Liberals chose makes sense.

[Ben Kenobi]

The rest of this thread is pretty stupid, but this takes the cake.

As opposed to say, the University of Toronto where they would rather abolish the state altogether.

I don't see why that is such an exceptional statement. All the folks I've met who've worked there generally aren't liberals of any stripe.

[Ben Kenobi]

NATO?

An attack on a NATO member?

Did someone bounce you down a long staircase on your head recently?

That's a very good question.

Now, if the US believes that terrorism was confined only to Afghanistan, why would they continue on to Iraq.

If we have obligations to NATO allies, then we should be in Iraq period.

Secondly, the question is why should we go and fight in imperialistic wars of agression in Afghanistan? They do not pose a serious threat to the United States, at least not militarily but only through asymmetric warfare.

So why, if we are willing to label Iraq as an imperial adventure, are we in Afghanistan at all?

[Max Webster]

Please stay in America, you definitely fit in.


ya traitor.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why be loyal to a country that doesn't deserve loyalty?

The Canada I love died a long time ago.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


That's a very good question.

Now, if the US believes that terrorism was confined only to Afghanistan, why would they continue on to Iraq.

If we have obligations to NATO allies, then we should be in Iraq period.

Secondly, the question is why should we go and fight in imperialistic wars of agression in Afghanistan? They do not pose a serious threat to the United States, at least not militarily but only through asymmetric warfare.

So why, if we are willing to label Iraq as an imperial adventure, are we in Afghanistan at all?

in Afghanistan because of Taliban, Al Q training camps, terrorist state de facto... helped the "better" side win the war, and ****ed it up completely afterwards.

Iraq, was "invented intelligence" which was an obvious failure waiting to happen, where not everyone was crazy enough to follow the US, like the lemmings in UK, Spain, Poland, Albania and some other wannabe US vassals...

Afghanistan had a cause, Iraq had none.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


First off, most of the workers are either Americans, or sympathetic to the Americans. The folks on the Patch genuinely would prefer to be Americans over Canadians.

Err NO

[Kontiki]

Holy hell, is there no end to Ben's ignorance?

No difference between Afghanistan and Iraq?
Most people on the oil patch are Americans or wish they were?
If you're not a liberal, you wish you were an American?
People at the UofT want to abolish the state? And how that ties into anything else?

WTF?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why be loyal to a country that doesn't deserve loyalty?

The Canada I love died a long time ago.

Then live elsewhere, give your loyalty to someone else etc. I'll take living in Canada over the US any day thanks despite our flaws.

You feel differently-- Thats fair ball. But frankly your views are not shared by the majority of Albertans.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Flubber
I'll take living in Canada over the US any day thanks despite our flaws.

That is one thing most of us can agree on.

[DinoDoc]

@Ben: Afghanistan isn't the appropiate contrast to Iraq to drive what I assume is your point. Questioning why Canada was involved in Kosovo and not Iraq would make more sense. Your point about Afghanistan is just stupid.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then live elsewhere, give your loyalty to someone else etc. I'll take living in Canada over the US any day thanks despite our flaws.

You feel differently-- Thats fair ball. But frankly your views are not shared by the majority of Albertans.

I never said they were. I do feel that there are more in Alberta and certainly where I am that would be sympathetic.

I've lived most of my life in Northern BC, so I rather resent people who live elsewhere telling me that this is how things are. Honestly, the majority want to stay but have significant misgivings about Canada. They have more loyalty to their province and their friends then they do to Ottawa.

If the choice were armed resistance to America or annexation, I would think most would accept annexation over resistance, which was the point of the thread.

Most wouldn't see a change between Ottawa and Washington to be honest, and would see increased benefits from being an American.

Frankly my views have changed over 5 years. I realized that there are folks out there like Lancer who have been going to the wall and protecting Canada for the last 40 years and we have spat on and insulted them in return.

Plus recent decisions have made me believe that Canada is not so safe anymore.

[Ben Kenobi]

Afghanistan isn't the appropiate contrast to Iraq to drive what I assume is your point. Questioning why Canada was involved in Kosovo and not Iraq would make more sense. Your point about Afghanistan is just stupid.

Well sorry for defending y'all.

Yes, I had thought about that, but I've heard much flowery rhetoric about the War in Iraq up here and I honestly believe the American position is more consistant.

[Ben Kenobi]

Iraq, was "invented intelligence" which was an obvious failure waiting to happen, where not everyone was crazy enough to follow the US, like the lemmings in UK, Spain, Poland, Albania and some other wannabe US vassals...

Well, that actually loses you points in my mind. The UK has significant influence here, and in some places, more then America.

That the UK and the Americans decided that the intelligence was sufficient, is a serious sign that things are headed in the right direction, and for the most part they were correct. Iraq was sponsoring terrorism and AQ, just like the Taliban were.

That we opted out, despite the involvement of NATO allies, is like a teenager wanting to be rewarded for his rebellion and "looking cool" by not doing the same thing as the US. Canada should really have grown up and said, even if we have significant misgivings, we will support our allies and friends in Iraq.

[Ben Kenobi]

No difference between Afghanistan and Iraq?

Yep. I don't see the justification for being involved in one and not the other. Neither did the UK.

Most people on the oil patch are Americans or wish they were?

Yes, at the very least I doubt the folks on the Patch would blow up their own refineries just to spite the americans. I don't see the same WTF Bu****ler! that I see elsewhere in the more liberal portions of Canada.

If you're not a liberal, you wish you were an American?

Most conservatives feel that Canada has passed them by and look to the US for inspiration. There has been precious little here for them to work with for a long time.

People at the UofT want to abolish the state? And how that ties into anything else?

Well Communists aren't that big on nationalism. Sorry, I thought my point was clear. The only place that would really revolt against American occupation would be the universities which suffer from terminal BDS.