Arabs attempt to murder Danish cartoonists.

[Wezil]

Ben - I presume you have heard about Ezra Levant and the HRC?

Edit - For the benefit of those that don't know (and to provoke a little more debate...)

Ezra Levant is the former publisher of a western Canadian Newspaper, The Western Standard (now defunct). Levant ran the Mohamed cartoons in his paper. A complaint was lodged with the Alberta Human Rights Commission and Levant was compelled to appear before this body and defend himself.

A more complete telling of the story can be found at www.ezralevant.com .

Here are three clips from the hearing before the AHRC.

The first is his opening statement.




The second he describes as "being asked about possible thought crimes"




And the third he calls "a slip of the tongue by my interrogator"

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And Kid, Islam is a race? WTF KID? One of my employers went out of business because they were sued by Muslims for publishing the cartoons.

What ever happened to a free country?

I think people should be able to insult Islam just as they do Christianity. Why can we have a "Piss Christ" but not a "Piss Muhammed"?

Why is one "racist" while the other is an "enlightened expression?"

I don't have a problem with criticising either one. The cartoons in question seem in very poor taste to me. Intelligent criticism would be something else. The creators appear bigoted, hatefull and stupid to me.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Further, Denmark has a century old tradition of satire where everybody has been a legal target including regents, named politicians, religions, politics, etc. Why should we change that ? Why should we treat muslims otherwise when they became a large minority of our society ?

Because when it's a minority it's oppressive. When you are criticising the establishment that is something totally different.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Because when it's a minority it's oppressive. When you are criticising the establishment that is something totally different.

BS.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat


BS.

Whatever

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Whatever

Ehrm, why do you consider it oppressive if a minority are treated in the same way as every other part of a society is ?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Ehrm, why do you consider it oppressive if a minority are treated in the same way as every other part of a society is ?

Minorities are not treated the same way.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Minorities are not treated the same way.

In danish satire they are.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben - I presume you have heard about Ezra Levant and the HRC?

Know him? I used to work for him!

Thanks for putting these up. I'm sure Kidicious would agree that the producers of "Piss Christ" are hateful and bigoted.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Know him? I used to work for him!

Thanks for putting these up. I'm sure Kidicious would agree that the producers of "Piss Christ" are hateful and bigoted.

Yes, I agree. Although I do not agree with the man in Wezil's vidoes.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Thanks for putting these up.

It is hard to believe without actually seeing it. He makes a strong argument for free speech in his defence. What he said/published wasn't criminal (his complainant tried to go the police route and was politely told to shove off).

"I'm accused of offending Mohamed. He's dead by the way"

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Yes, I agree. Although I do not agree with the man in Wezil's vidoes.

Alright Kid. I'll give you your argument.

What did you disagree with in particular?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat


In danish satire they are.

I think there is a good argument to be made that those cartoons are not satire, as they have no other value than to demean the followers of a certain religion. Satire has a certain intent.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil


Alright Kid. I'll give you your argument.

What did you disagree with in particular?

I think he was hiding behind the idea of free speech. The justification for free speech is human rights. He was saying that it was ironic that a organization whose purpose is to protect human rights was "interogating" him.

I think he's a racist who is exploiting our system.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sorry, missed your reply.

That's fine.

I think these folks should be free to show their art without being hauled fined and sued in front of a tribunal.