45 second record from pullover tasering - Austin Texas

[Asher]

Originally posted by Donegeal
That's where you show a lack of training. Cops are trained to look for key things that indicate an assault might be comming. n this case, the guy took a small step toward the officer with I believe it was the left foot and moved his shoulders back, similar to a typical move by someone who is getting ready to fight. Their might also have been increased tension like someone winding up to throw a punch, but the camera can't catch that.

The guy stepped out of his vehicle, began walking towards the back of the car as instructed. The video is there. Watch it again, you are clearly mistaken.

It was NOT an aggressive step. It was exactly what was ordered.

I don't care what training says. If training tells you to aggressively demand someone get out and walk towards the back while you're standing in the way, then shoot them for doing so, that training is wrong.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
The guy is an idiot for arguing. The cop is an *******. End of story.

It would be, if this were an isolated incident. But we keep seeing the pattern of tasers being used long before they should, and then police departments covering for their members.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It would be, if this were an isolated incident. But we keep seeing the pattern of tasers being used long before they should, and then police departments covering for their members.

Yep, seen the same here about 2 weeks ago in a similar thread. Many other stories on the web, too. I'm not defending the cop, by the way. The tasering was completely uncalled for.

And sorry Don, I don't buy your "training" explanation either, and if it is true, the training is wrong, as Asher already stated. Officers should act calm and de-escalating and not aggressive and trigger-happy like this one. This whole risk calculation you brought up (I reckon not completely serious) is BS too. The whole thing is recorded by a camera, and the cop is in contact with his colleagues. There's no way the guy could hope to assault the cop (letal or not) and get away with it. If he killed him, he would probably end on the death row, considering the state.

What would the cop get if he had killed the guy?

[Riesstiu IV]

Hey Donegeal, when your kids take an aggressive step to give you a hug, do you taser them?

[Combat Ingrid]

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph

What would the cop get if he had killed the guy?

Probably 5 days suspended from duty instead of 3.

[Asher]

Why not? It's not like they can get hurt, right?

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Someone posted it in the other thread, but there have been something like 214 deaths after someone got tasered. Of those 214 deaths, I believe something like 12 actually involved the Tazer in the cause of death.

So, in 202 cases, the cops simply tazered dying persons?

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III So, in 202 cases, the cops simply tazered dying persons?

I loves me a good tazerin'!

Seriously though. Everytime a cop gets reprimanded for tazering incorrectly I believe his punishment should be to get tazered by his victim.

Or a family member in case their was a death.

Or a court appointed tazerer! How awesome would that be?

I want that job!

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Donegeal


That's where you show a lack of training. Cops are trained to look for key things that indicate an assault might be comming. n this case, the guy took a small step toward the officer with I believe it was the left foot and moved his shoulders back, similar to a typical move by someone who is getting ready to fight. Their might also have been increased tension like someone winding up to throw a punch, but the camera can't catch that.

Dude, being an Israeli soldier, I'll be the last one to criticize a person in uniform for being overly zealous regarding his security.

But heck, you're freaking taking this too far. You are not a soldier at a check-point, awaiting a potential suicide bomber.

You're just a cop giving someone a citation for going 5 miles over the limit. This whole "it's a wild west out there" attitude does not work for traffic cops who are usually in contact with peaceful civilian population.

It is obvious that the person in the vehicle is not a threat, and that the cop in question was ludicrously bad tempered.

Even his fellow cops (in the article) felt the need to appologize for his behavior.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
we need a tazer smilie, like this one:

someone put xmas caps on it and send it to the admins fast!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Aeson
The time to argue your case is in court. Not on the side of a highway with tons of metal passing by at 65mph. Stop endangering officers' lives needlessly, then complain to me about a taser.

how do you endanger officer's lives by arguing with them?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by MarkG
how do you endanger officer's lives by arguing with them?

Why do you question Aeson?

You are endangering his life!

[Aeson]

Originally posted by MarkG
how do you endanger officer's lives by arguing with them?

You don't have cars in Greece?

Traffic cops get hit by cars from time to time. Standing on the side of a freeway is dangerous, especially when doing a job which requires your attention towards something other than traffic. (Like dealing with an obstinate driver.)

When you're *****ing with a cop while a car flies by a foot away you're putting the cop's life in needless jeopardy. It's that simple.

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As for this specific case, just as the driver is exiting the vehicle (and the cop is furthest out on the road) a car passes by without moving over, the cop reacts, moving towards the driver. The driver at that point is not moving towards the back of the car, but standing there facing the cop and reacts to the cop's advance. In essence blocking the cop's way. There is a slight physical altercation in a situation where the cop is vulnerable. The cop reacts and you get a tasering. I blame the car for not moving over, the driver for being consistantly obstinate, and the cop for having been too confrontational from the start.

The tasering itself seems to me an understandable reaction to a dangerous situation that the driver was instigating.

[Vesayen]

I don't buy it. Watch it again. The cop did not "quickly" move to the side of the road after he tasered the guy. He did not taser him to "get out of traffic" which seems to be what your saying.