Define a REAL Woman.

[Ben Kenobi]

I can't believe you guys.

You complain when your SO can't clean up cause she is not putting her things last.

You ***** cause your laundry is dirty cause she didn't put herself last and went to the spa.

You whine cause your dinner isn't ready cause she worked all day too and took a nap.

but she was just following your wishes by not putting herself last all the time.

I see how this works.

[Wittlich]

Define a REAL Woman.

Pass. I don't have a clue.

[-Jrabbit]

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

[Grandpa Troll]

4 foot Tall

Flat head

Pistol Grip Ears


My idea of a purrfect female type woman

[Grandpa Troll]

Re: Define a REAL Woman.

Originally posted by Wittlich
Pass. I don't have a clue.

I assure you my friend, I just bet you know and have a clue, I say this as a true compliment

[Wittlich]

Spoken like a true Troll!

[Wittlich]

Well, yes. That I do. But I will still pass.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Spoken like a true Troll!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I can't believe you guys.

You complain when your SO can't clean up cause she is not putting her things last.

You ***** cause your laundry is dirty cause she didn't put herself last and went to the spa.

You whine cause your dinner isn't ready cause she worked all day too and took a nap.

but she was just following your wishes by not putting herself last all the time.

I see how this works.

Your problem lies in your assumptions. Simply because you are the type to whine when "dinner isn't ready" or the "laundry is dirty" doesn't mean the rest of us are.

If the wife wants to go to a spa for herself, what's the big deal in doing your laundry yourself? And whining because your wife was tired and took a nap?! Make your own damned dinner and make some for her too if she's that exhausted!

But, of course, you want to her to put herself last. So, even if she's exhausted, she better get in there and make dinner while the MAN of the house puts his feet up.

[Wezil]

This reminds me of the burka debate with muslim males. "She wants to wear the Burka..."

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Your problem lies in your assumptions. Simply because you are the type to whine when "dinner isn't ready" or the "laundry is dirty" doesn't mean the rest of us are.

It depends on the situation.

If the division of household labour has been such that she is responsible for cooking dinner, then he has a right to be annoyed if it isn't ready on time.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If the wife wants to go to a spa for herself, what's the big deal in doing your laundry yourself? And whining because your wife was tired and took a nap?! Make your own damned dinner and make some for her too if she's that exhausted!

Again, depends on the situation. If it was decided that she was to do the laundry, then it is a dereliction of duty and a breach of trust if the doesn't do it, or doesn't work out something with him before not doing it. Mobile phones make that trivially possible.

Also, again, the same applies to the second case. It depends on what role each person had agreed to assume.

Simply because a partner happens to be a woman does not exempt her from all responsibilities. If she has made a commitment, it is necessary for her to stick with it.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But, of course, you want to her to put herself last. So, even if she's exhausted, she better get in there and make dinner while the MAN of the house puts his feet up.

If I have made a commitment, then it may involve occasionally doing things which I might find unpleasant or difficult at that moment. When we work, there are times when it seems difficult, or otherwise unpleasant. But we do it, because we have committed to it, and decided that, over the long run, it is in our interest. Nobody coerced us into it. Neither is he coercing his hypothetical partner. She is free to quit the relationship if she wants. Where is the harm?

Also, why are you personally attacking him? He merely expressed a preference for a certain type of person. If he finds a person like that who likes people like him, and both are happy, why are you getting so worked up about it? If they both are happy, what causes you to judge him so harshly for it? Is it, perhaps, because you do not want any such arrangement of people to be able to be happy?

[Imran Siddiqui]

If the division of household labour has been such that she is responsible for cooking dinner, then he has a right to be annoyed if it isn't ready on time.

I do tend to find it interesting though that in the "division of household labour", it usually ends up that the woman is responsible for cooking dinner and doing the laundry.

Plenty of studies have found that even when women are working outside the home, they are expected to also pull most of the weight doing the household chores.

I'm thinking that the division of household chores shouldn't necessarily be one set in stone... ie, you always cook dinner.

Also, why are you personally attacking him? He merely expressed a preference for a certain type of person. If he finds a person like that who likes people like him, and both are happy, why are you getting so worked up about it

This is quite rich coming from you.

I'll quote Wezil:

This reminds me of the burka debate with muslim males. "She wants to wear the Burka..."

Why do you get all worked up about the treatment of women in Muslim societies. If they are both happy and the woman wants to wear the burka, why do you get so upset?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'd want someone who put herself last always.

What a thoroughly obnoxious demand to make. I hate to think where the morality of such a person making this demand comes from. Sounds like something from the Victorian 'goods and chattels' era.

In fact I found most of the things in BK's list distinctly obnoxious and misogynist.

[Wezil]

Imran - I think you were asking BenK...?

I peronally don't get worked up about the treatment of women in Muslim societies. I think Muslim societies are a write-off from top to bottom.

I do get worked up about the treatment of Muslim women in western societies. When idiot politicians propose Sharia in my country I get alarmed.

[Ben Kenobi]

Also, why are you personally attacking him? He merely expressed a preference for a certain type of person. If he finds a person like that who likes people like him, and both are happy, why are you getting so worked up about it? If they both are happy, what causes you to judge him so harshly for it? Is it, perhaps, because you do not want any such arrangement of people to be able to be happy?

Thank you Aneeshm.

I don't understand it myself really. I don't see it comparable to wearing a burkha and it's an eye opener for me that expecting a woman to enjoy cooking is just as bad as forcing them to wear a burkha. Like I said I would be more then happy to take on extra responsibilities elsewhere if she enjoys cooking.

I don't see any of that as a one-way think. I would want to give myself in that way too, so it's not just one person doing everything for everyone all the time, but two people putting the other person first.