Race, Intelligence, & Genetics or How James Watson pissed off a lot of people.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Race as used in real science is always identified with genetic lineage, which is a scientifically respectable concept.

I think it depends on what one means by "race". The the notion of "race" as the term is often use is criticized it is because the term has left-over baggage of the essentialistic notions of "racial types" popular before the Modern Synthesis of evolutionary biology showed that such thinking was bonkers and that there were no "racial types," only populations of genetically unique individuals. Now, those populations can be called "races," but they usually are not because of said left-over essentialistic baggage the term "race" has.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Agathon

There is no objective sense in which races exist. A black guy and a white guy have more in common than a tall white guy and a short white guy do.

I get the point you are trying to get across (85% of human genetic diversity is spread evenly across the world), but this a a bad and incorrect example.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Agathon


Nope. Sorry dude. Genetic tests do not indicate that separate human subspecies exist. People with common ancestry will share some genes, but nothing that anyone else doesn't have, and nor are there consistent patterns of genes that differ among human beings.

Wrong.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1196372

That's not my point. The point is that there isn't much difference between all of us. The genetic difference between me and some Chinese dude is likely to be less than the difference between me and some other dude from Britain. There are no "races" of human beings in a genetic sense.

Wrong.

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/lewontindebunked.pdf

This is just an excuse for people like Cali to revisit their favourite crypto-nazi theory of Aryan supremacy. The funny thing is I've seen his picture, and it seems his ancestors were not particularly interested in racial purity.

Is that just an attempted insult, or do you see something in my appearance that indicates a particular ancestry? Seriously, I'm interested if it's the latter.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Odin
sorry, but that's just wrong. society should be "color-blind" (that is, race should not play any more part in a person getting a job or getting college tuition then one's eye color or hair curliness does). Affirmative Actions only perpetuates and institutionalizes racial divisions.

Racial divisions are already perpetuated and institutionalized in case you haven't noticed.

Outcomes are what matters. I could care less what you think about me.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Outcomes are what matters. I could care less what you think about me.

I think that is absolute crap. I advocate equality of opportunity, not outcomes.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil
I think that is absolute crap. I advocate equality of opportunity, not outcomes.

They are the same thing.

[Wezil]

No they're not. That's absurd. People choose not to take advantage of opportunities presented for a whole host of reasons. Should their outcome be the same as those that don't?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil
People choose not to take advantage of opportunities presented for a whole host of reasons.

No they don't. That's absurd. People are rational beings. They take advantage of opportunities.

[Kuciwalker]

Trivial observation pwns you. Just shut up while you're not too far behind, kid.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No they don't. That's absurd. People are rational beings. They take advantage of opportunities.

Not if we talk about the same species, i.e. Homo sapiens sapiens

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Trivial observation pwns you. Just shut up while you're not too far behind, kid.

Go on believing that people are irrational. There's no hope for you.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No they don't. That's absurd. People are rational beings. They take advantage of opportunities.

Oh please. You really aren't going to argue this position are you? It's a dog.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil


Oh please. You really aren't going to argue this position are you? It's a dog.

Every black man has the opportunity to be CEO of GM

[Kuciwalker]

Wezil: maybe Kid's points are actually correct in his own alternate universe.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

No, you misunderstand, I was paraphrasing your post.

I understand perfectly well that you don't know what you are talking about and are trying to hide it. As usual...

Nobody has disputed that there are separate genetic lineages, just that these in no way correspond to anything that could be called a race. If you have facts that say otherwise, pony up. If not, then STFU.