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Originally posted by Kidicious
Go on believing that people are irrational. There's no hope for you.
Go on believing that people are irrational. There's no hope for you.
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If people were rational, and you were making a good point, wouldn't he agree with you?
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"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld -
Nobody has disputed that there are separate genetic lineages, just that these in no way correspond to anything that could be called a race.
All you have to do is redefine race away from a socially constructed phenomenon to a genetically constructed one. That neatly avoids all the pesky edge cases the socially constructed definition has.Comment
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I said I support equality of opportunity. I didn't say we had it yet.Originally posted by Kidicious
Every black man has the opportunity to be CEO of GM
I've passed on numerous op's in my life, as I'm sure many (if not most) posters here have. French education was offered free to me through Grage 12 though I chose not to take it beyond grade 8. My outcome could have been enhanced by taking advantage of this opportunity (offered to all) but I chose not to take it. My choice, adversely affected my future prospects (ie. I'll never be PM).
Now, if I had been forbidden access to this opportunity I might be a little pissed about it...."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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And if that were ever possible, and it won't be, we would have equal outcomes.Originally posted by Wezil
I said I support equality of opportunity. I didn't say we had it yet.
Everyone passes up on opportunities. You are saying that blacks pass up on opportunities, that they choose to be unemployed instead of the president for example. You are very wrong.I've passed on numerous op's in my life, as I'm sure many (if not most) posters here have. French education was offered free to me through Grage 12 though I chose not to take it beyond grade 8. My outcome could have been enhanced by taking advantage of this opportunity (offered to all) but I chose not to take it. My choice, adversely affected my future prospects ie. I'll never be PM).
Now, if I had been forbidden access to this opportunity I might be a little pissed about it....I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I mean rational as in self-interested, not void of BS.Originally posted by Lorizael
If people were rational, and you were making a good point, wouldn't he agree with you?
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Self-interested != rational. People do stupid, illogical things that they think are to their own benefit all the time.Originally posted by Kidicious
I mean rational as in self-interested, not void of BS.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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No we wouldn't, but that is something a Communist will never understand so I'll leave it at that.Originally posted by Kidicious
And if that were ever possible, and it won't be, we would have equal outcomes.
Yes, for whatever reasons.Everyone passes up on opportunities.
You are saying that blacks pass up on opportunities,
Yes, as you just said "everyone".
Now you are twisting again. I'll presume you want to talk US not Canada.... They do not have equal opportunity. Schools, neighborhoods, racist and discriminatory hiring, etc. The playing field is still not level.that they choose to be unemployed instead of the president for example. You are very wrong."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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No. You need to explain yourself. If people had equal opportunities then why wouldn't they have equal outcomes. Say we sent every person in the world a check in the mail. For what reason would more whites cash the check more than blacks?Originally posted by Wezil
No we wouldn't, but that is something a Communist will never understand so I'll leave it at that.
Of course it's not, and you can't make it level, except to change the outcome.Now you are twisting again. I'll presume you want to talk US not Canada.... They do not have equal opportunity. Schools, neighborhoods, racist and discriminatory hiring, etc. The playing field is still not level.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I'm assuming that blacks and whites are similarly intelligent or at least closer to being similarly intelligent than the outcomes dictate.Originally posted by Lorizael
Self-interested != rational. People do stupid, illogical things that they think are to their own benefit all the time.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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You're also assuming that every single person, regardless of race, is equally intelligent.Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm assuming that blacks and whites are similarly intelligent or at least closer to being similarly intelligent than the outcomes dictate."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - DissidentComment
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By advocating AA?Originally posted by Kontiki
You're also assuming that every single person, regardless of race, is equally intelligent.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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No, by advocating equality of outcomes."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - DissidentComment
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Equal opportunity != equal outcome because it discounts the reality of unequal ability, which is not dependent on race but on a whole host of other things.Originally posted by Kidicious
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"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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That's a different argument.Originally posted by Kontiki
No, by advocating equality of outcomes.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Why do white males consistently end up on top then?Originally posted by Lorizael
Equal opportunity != equal outcome because it discounts the reality of unequal ability, which is not dependent on race but on a whole host of other things.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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