Iran leader denied WTC wreath request

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wezil


Why not? Better to attack during the intro when he can't even try to defend himself? That's fair.

This isnt a game. Its a university. Its a university, that, for some reason, has invited a man to speak who organized a conference to deny a well known historical truth, a historical truth at the core of modern history. To introduce the man, without contesting his opinions from the get go would be to give some legitimacy, however small, to holocaust denial.

That would be to the enduring shame of Columbia University.

[Wezil]

Kontiki - Exactly.

Quite frankly I am saddened by LotM's comments in this thread. I usually see him as a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster. In this case it seems absolute hatred for Mr. denier has shut down those admirable traits.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kontiki
How about "This is Mr. Stalin, who has accepted to our invitation to speak to this audience. As you know, Mr. Stalin has made some rather controversial statements that I intend to ask him about at the appropriate time. I would ask that you hold your comments for the Q and A period as well."

Wow, that was shockingly hard.

not hard, at all, but absurd on its face.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Would that have been so bad? At least it would not have opened the university up to charges of rank hypocrisy over its handling of the Minute Men fiasco and kicking the ROTC off campus.

I didnt say it would have been so bad.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

I dont think Ahmahdinajad has a leg to stand on complainging about "rudeness".

How so? He behaved exactly as someone in an academic setting should behave. He was polite. He didn't stoop to the level of Bollinger, with petty insults.

I'm guessing you never went to a proper college. Let me explain the rules for these sorts of events. Someone always has to introduce the speaker. If the person introducing likes the speaker, they will effusively praise him or her and his or her achievements. If they have a neutral opinion regarding the speaker, they will simply introduce him or her and say who they are, and leave it at that. If they really don't like the speaker, they will introduce him or her by name, and then say something like "a proponent of some very controversial claims, regarding X, Y, Z, that I hope the speaker will address at this event.

You do not ever get up and say: "He's evil. He's a ****bag. He's disgusting. He's stupid.", even if you firmly believe that. It is simply not done in the academy. It's outrageous and disgusting behaviour, and inimical to the insitution of the university.

Bollinger took heat for inviting him. He promised to ask tough questions, and he did. Bollinger

Bollinger is a coward. What's more likely is that the Zionist mafia put the wind up him and he decided that he had to do something in order to prevent himself being made a sacrificial lamb. And he called ADJ a dictator, which demonstrates that he doesn't understand what that English word means.

And as I thought, the American press were too dumb to understand ADJ's speech. He was giving a quick account of the Islamic view of knowledge and science, which I found fascinating, and I wish he had been questioned on it. According to some US press outlets, this was "rambling about God and science". Perhaps if we wanted to understand the Islamic view on the the ethics of nuclear weapons, we would have actually listened as it was explained to us, instead of falling asleep at the mere mention of something that required actual thought to understand.

And he's being accused of claiming that holocaust studies is like physics, which completely misinterprets his comment (they are alike, as are all disciplines, in that new ideas are continually introduced and old ones dispensed with).

The American media are ****ing thick. Well... what do you expect... look at where they come from.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


not hard, at all, but absurd on its face.

Only to someone with a massive axe to grind on the subject.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wezil
Kontiki - Exactly.

Quite frankly I am saddened by LotM's comments in this thread. I usually see him as a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster. In this case it seems absolute hatred for Mr. denier has shut down those admirable traits.

In the case of holocaust deniers (and thats not all Ahmahdinajad is IMO) and some related circumstances fairness doesnt look like what fairness looks like in other instances.

That is my thoughtful, considered opinion.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Agathon

[q]Bollinger is a coward. What's more likely is that the Zionist mafia [q]

res ipso loquitur.

As info, the majority of anti-Zionist Jews that Im aware of despise Ahmadinajad and his holocaust denial campaign as well.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Wezil
Kontiki - Exactly.

Quite frankly I am saddened by LotM's comments in this thread. I usually see him as a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster. In this case it seems absolute hatred for Mr. denier has shut down those admirable traits.

He is a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster, except concerning anything to do with criticism of Jews or Israel (just or no), at which point you're just another goy.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kontiki


Only to someone with a massive axe to grind on the subject.

I freely admit to having an axe to grind wrt the holocaust.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon


He is a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster, except concerning anything to do with criticism of Jews or Israel (just or no), at which point you're just another goy.

I have had many interesting discussions with folks here who have criticized Israel, as many here can attest.

AFAIK, none have expressed the views wrt to the holocaust that Ahmadinajad has.

[Cort Haus]

I don't see why it is necessary to insult the audience by telling them, in advance, what an evil scumbag someone is, when his opinions are well-known.

These are not six-year olds in the audience, I take it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I don't see why it is necessary to insult the audience by telling them, in advance, what an evil scumbag someone is, when his opinions are well-known.

These are not six-year olds in the audience, I take it.

from the audience reaction, I dont get the impression they thought Bollinger was insulting them.

You know full well that there are places in the world where the story will be "Ahmadinajad spoke at a great US university, his opinions couldnt be that far out of the mainstream" Thats what Bollinger had to preempts. Whether you consider that audience 6 yos, or not, I dont know.

[lord of the mark]

Ivy League aggressors attacked holocaust denier

"I congratulate him, in the name of the Venezuelan people, before a new aggression of the U.S. empire," Chavez said


well good to see the party line has been settled on.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Agathon


He is a thoughtful, considerate and fair poster, except concerning anything to do with criticism of Jews or Israel (just or no), at which point you're just another goy.

That is the way it looks.

"I'd like to Thank Ms. Clinton for attending our forum tonight. Of course we all know her as a carpetbagger that also happens to be an enabler for a philandering husband. Perhaps she will be kind enough to address these issues tonight...."

Fair.