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Pat, So according to you it's then perfectly OK to do what just happened? That's just fine, I would just disagree with that.
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Yeah. I would have been okay with a number of scenarios actually."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously. -
So if someone crosses a imaginary line they should get subdued?Thats the point Pekka, he was using more than his time and place.
This has always happened at any big talk or whathaveyou. There is always someone who comes to give a speech when they get the mic, not ask a question. This is part of a democracy. Its supposed to be a little noisy, a little active.
Thats what i hate about the right wing-just giving more ammo to the lefties
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My concern for freedom of speech is completely overwhelmed by my desire to see obnoxious people beaten or otherwise taught a lesson. If the kid was able to laugh afterwards, he should have been tasered twice. Hippies
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I think the question is, if they cross a line, should they get thrown out of the venue, and if they resist leaving the venue should they get subdued?Originally posted by Slade Wilson
So if someone crosses a imaginary line they should get subdued?
What if after getting the mike, hed started talking about a free x-box? Or decided to just sing christmas carols? At what point is someone disrupting the event?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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You mean like traffic markings? He didn't just cross the line in any case, he crossed, was warned, continued and THEN was subdued.So if someone crosses a imaginary line they should get subdued?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Indeed. Disrupting school functions, especially ones that involve guests like a sitting US senator
It is funny how this incident has caused a lot of people to say we live in a police state or have no freedoms. People are so stupid.Comment
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Ya! And we know cops alway lie!Originally posted by Zero
obviously thats what the cops are gonna say to defend their pov. dont matter cause even if th ekid did it intentionally, the cops got TROLL BAITED! hah!
Most people are focusing on the fact the guy got tasered. Freaking cry babies
. So he got a little roughed up. What you should be focusing on and what is the disturbing part is why he was stopped before hand especially after Kerry said he'd answer the questions. I think only Pekka and Donegal have touched on this part of the incident, though even Pekka seems more focused on the fact the guy was tasered.
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Even though I think obnoxious people deserve free speech too, I can certainly relate to your frustration that these people choose to use their free speech in the way that they do.EViiiiiiL!!! - Mermaid ManComment
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He was stopped for saying 'blow job' in a question to Kerry. He obviously could have found better words, and ones that reflect better on the school's student body. His rambling and conspiratorial blabbering, as well as telling the cops to **** off when they told him to chill, is also good reason for his removal.Comment
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How do you make a poll?
I would love to see exactly how many people think that electroshcoking a person is acceptable for those who are obnoxiously stretching the rules, but are otherwise within the acceptable behavior limits in a free society. In essence, he was filibustering.
This guy was grandstanding. He was a loud and rude. This is typical behavior at an American political event, especially one at a college where young people with little experience, a desire to be noticed and a great deal of enthusiasm. Usually these people will blather for a while and then are shouted down once the crowd tires of them. Again this is normal behavior.
His behavior was not threatening. It was obnoxious. The campus police shouldn't have even been involved. Once they approached the man, he became understandably agitated. The intrusion of the police into this situation escalated this situation unnecessarily and caused it to spiral out of control. The police want to control the subject. The subject doesn’t want to be controlled by the authorities and has the right not to be, as long he is not breaking the law. So, the subject perceives the police as a threat. This is understandable as the police are naturally dangerous due to their violent methods. Many of the posters acknowledge this with their observations stating that the man should have quickly acquiesced to the police demands, as they are known for their excesses.
What I see here from the people who are supporting the tasering is that they didn’t see that the person as a threat, but that they saw him as being obnoxious and having broken an unimportant rule, therefore any means necessary was acceptable in subduing him. This attitude is absurd, dangerous, and completely unacceptable in a free society. These are the tactics of a fascist/communist/police state/banana-republic.
His behavior didn't rise to the level where he deserved to be subdued and electrocuted. Filibustering is annoying, but acceptable and doesn’t warrant police intervention.
Are we so afraid that somebody might get hurt, that we are willing to let the police do anything they want?
edit: (Electroshocked used instead of electrocute)Last edited by MosesPresley; September 19, 2007, 18:14."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
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It's very clear that he was not tasered for asking questions or being obnoxious. Whether the tasering was justified or not, it's clear he was tasered for continuing to resist in the physical altercation which followed.Comment
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do people who use "electrocuting" for tasering deserve to be tasered?Originally posted by MosesPresley
How do you make a poll?
I would love to see exactly how many people think that electrocuting a person is acceptable for those who are obnoxiously stretching the rules, but are otherwise within the acceptable behavior limits in a free society. In essence, he was filibustering.
This guy was grandstanding. He was a loud and rude. This is typical behavior at an American political event, especially one at a college where young people with little experience, a desire to be noticed and a great deal of enthusiasm. Usually these people will blather for a while and then are shouted down once the crowd tires of them. Again this is normal behavior.
His behavior was not threatening. It was obnoxious. The campus police shouldn't have even been involved. Once they approached the man, he became understandably agitated. The intrusion of the police into this situation escalated this situation unnecessarily and caused it to spiral out of control. The police want to control the subject. The subject doesn’t want to be controlled by the authorities and has the right not to be, as long he is not breaking the law. So, the subject perceives the police as a threat. This is understandable as the police are naturally dangerous due to their violent methods. Many of the posters acknowledge this with their observations stating that the man should have quickly acquiesced to the police demands, as they are known for their excesses.
What I see here from the people who are supporting the tasering is that they didn’t see that the person as a threat, but that they saw him as being obnoxious and having broken an unimportant rule, therefore any means necessary was acceptable in subduing him. This attitude is absurd, dangerous, and completely unacceptable in a free society. These are the tactics of a fascist/communist/police state/banana-republic.
His behavior didn't rise to the level where he deserved to be subdued and electrocuted. Filibustering is annoying, but acceptable and doesn’t warrant police intervention.
Are we so afraid that somebody might get hurt, that we are willing to let the police do anything they want?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Thank you Aeson.Originally posted by Aeson
It's very clear that he was not tasered for asking questions or being obnoxious. Whether the tasering was justified or not, it's clear he was tasered for continuing to resist in the physical altercation which followed.
This is the part that alot of people can't seem to grasp. He was ask to leave due to his ranting and verbage during his "questions". Someone decided that he should no long be allowed to ask questions at this university function (please note that this is NOT a public function and was subject to rules simlar to this forum). He was tasered for resisting (and it got him to stop too).
The more I hear people complain about the Taser, the more I get the impression that what they are really upset about is that its so effective that 'resistance is futile'.Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
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Have you ever been tasered? Donegeal said that the pain is severe. Where do you get your opinion?Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Kid, I don't care if they deliberately kicked him in the balls, then broke his legs. It's not torture. Assault for sure, but not even close to torture. You'd probably call a paper cut torture (actually you might be right there).
Oh, and btw, you pick strange times to wave your flag.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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It is not clear that that is true at all. It appears to many people that someone had their panties in a bunch and pulled the trigger because of that.Originally posted by Aeson
It's very clear that he was not tasered for asking questions or being obnoxious. Whether the tasering was justified or not, it's clear he was tasered for continuing to resist in the physical altercation which followed.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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