I also suspect that in USA, Patriotism and Nationalism are basically synonyms.
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Originally posted by Blake
Speciests
FACT!
Speciesism
Nationalism
Patriotism
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Originally posted by Kidicious
The problem with that is still that there doesn't seem to be any reason to confine that to a geographical region.
Originally posted by Shrapnel12
That's a particularly anti-american biased thing to say. Sure there may be a lot of people in the USA that are nationalist, but that doesn't mean we all are. I myself have the same opinion as you. I'm patriotic, but I'm for fairness and cooperation with other countries.
Originally posted by Whoha
Every time you wash your hands, you are being a speciest. Those parasites and bacteria have just as much right to live as you, and it isn't their fault that they evolved to prey upon you.
Okay, I do. But I firmly support my gut fauna's right to life. There's a trillion of the little buggers. If this host bites it, they do too. So some bacterium must die, that others may live.
Seriously: Things are relative, not absolute. Humans have a relatively large amount of right to live, inevitably the top of the food chain does - otherwise in the natural order of things, the biosphere would break down (ie you kill the wolves the deer overpopulate and decimate the forest). The fallacy is in thinking humans have an ABSOLUTE right to live, at any expense of lives of other species.
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Originally posted by Blake
Call it the bias of self. One can do the most good, where the self is. It's best to be focused on the prosperity of the area where you can actually do good. Otherwise it's basically that "I wish for world peace" thing.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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PekkaCritical thinking+Science > Moral codes of the world.
You have to prove that natural rights exist. Oh, it's really just an abstract? WEll, science has shown that humans have survival instinct.
KidEverything that I don't want to happen to me is immoral. Go figure.
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Berzerker
Pekka
Natural law aint a moral code you'd find in many places
Science didn't need to show we have a survival instinct and it aint abstract, its real simple - somebody tries to murder you and you successfully defend yourself by killing your attacker. Your action is justified, natural law says you have the right - the moral claim - to defend yourself. Maybe you should bone up on your critical thinking
Kid
Then why did you dodge my question about rape?
This is like pulling teeth. So now it isn't instinct that defines your morality, but what you dont want happening to you (others). You changed your definition. Is old age immoral? Watch out Kid, you're coming real close to the Golden Rule... So, its immoral to try and murder Kid because he doesn't want a bad thing happening to him. Thats a moral claim, and thats what natural law calls a "right". A right to not be murdered - a moral claim to not be murdered.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Nice signature there. In what way exactly are you the Secretary General of the UN? Are you also the VP of the Star Trek Fan Club?
(and still better than your avatar btw...)A true ally stabs you in the front.
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I see there bieng a particular difference between Patriotism and Nationalism, and I would not labell excess Patriotism as nationalism, but instead as Jingoism.
For me Patriotism is love of country, and the country is generally defined by the political boundaries, ergo love of State. This can be translated into love for a political entity, like a heterogenous Republic or Empire.
Nationalism is love for ones nation, which is defined as a specific group of people joined by comon ethnocultural roots.
The difference would be in saying that you could have for example a French Patriot, who supports and loves the notion of French republicanism, vs. a French nationalist, who loves what he defines as the French "Nation", which generally would exclude members of the French republic who happened to be of a different nation (Arabs, Africans).
Both setiments are born from basic human xenophobia. All humans bond in groups, and people outside the group are seen as a possible danger, since we don't have some shared bond, and in theory then no shared taboo or rule to prevent conflict and possible harm. Both ideas of course take this natural feeling, which humans would genrally extend only to their locality and those people whom they saw regularly in daily life and forms some theoretical bond to strangers one will never meet, but who happen to live under the same vast State or are part of the same vast "nation."If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by VetLegion
Good points. But the reasons Basques won't move could be various.
1) They won't move because they've occupied the territory since before the time of Christ, and they feel strongly connected to it.
2) They won't move because it sends the signal that they are pushovers. They won't be safe on their new island (say if oil is discovered there) if it is known that with some determination you can displace them.
I think the reason for people so strongly hanging on to some territory is more along the lines of 2) than 1).
that is not to say of course that land is the be all and end all of nationalism, but it's always there as a factor."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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people long to be in a group I think. I know I do. I hate being an outsider, even though I am.
About the only thing I can call myself is an american. I fit in no where.
maybe I'm a polytubbie as well. You can elect me for hall of fame, and I'd really be happy that I fit in .
anyways it's why gangs exist. It's just a bigger gang.
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I see there bieng a particular difference between Patriotism and Nationalism, and I would not labell excess Patriotism as nationalism, but instead as Jingoism.
For me Patriotism is love of country, and the country is generally defined by the political boundaries, ergo love of State. This can be translated into love for a political entity, like a heterogenous Republic or Empire.
Nationalism is love for ones nation, which is defined as a specific group of people joined by comon ethnocultural roots.
The difference would be in saying that you could have for example a French Patriot, who supports and loves the notion of French republicanism, vs. a French nationalist, who loves what he defines as the French "Nation", which generally would exclude members of the French republic who happened to be of a different nation (Arabs, Africans).
Both setiments are born from basic human xenophobia. All humans bond in groups, and people outside the group are seen as a possible danger, since we don't have some shared bond, and in theory then no shared taboo or rule to prevent conflict and possible harm. Both ideas of course take this natural feeling, which humans would genrally extend only to their locality and those people whom they saw regularly in daily life and forms some theoretical bond to strangers one will never meet, but who happen to live under the same vast State or are part of the same vast "nation.""You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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