17 year old girls murder friend to find out what it is like

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


someone asked why they have a right to be rehabbed, since personal responsibility should triumph.

So I ask why a mugger has the right to be rehabbed.

So far I have not received an answer.

Just the banal point that murder isnt mugging.

Yes, I know that. What is the basis for a mugger having the right to be rehabbed?

Nobody has the "right" to be rehabbed. If anyone gets rehab it's because society has deemed that it is the humane thing to do.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


someone asked why they have a right to be rehabbed, since personal responsibility should triumph.

So I ask why a mugger has the right to be rehabbed.

So far I have not received an answer.

Just the banal point that murder isnt mugging.

Yes, I know that. What is the basis for a mugger having the right to be rehabbed?

The rights and their violation involved is different.

The murderer, by committing murder, has proven beyond any doubt that he does not recognise the right to life of his victim(s), and that therefore cannot claim to possess such a right himself. After that, given his nature, and given that he is detrimental to society, and that he has no right to life, society is justified in ending his life.


The same is very definitely not true for the mugger.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Ya, know, its just possible that a teen with impulse control problems, and some graphic violent fantasies, might REALLY be more capable of being rehabbed than most criminals.

I would not be comfortable with such people out in society, regardless of whatever certification of rehabilitation they've gotten. I'm not confident that is something fixable.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Nobody has the "right" to be rehabbed. If anyone gets rehab it's because society has deemed that it is the humane thing to do.

why is it humane to rehab someone? Isnt that inhumane to the victims?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I would not be comfortable with such people out in society, regardless of whatever certification of rehabilitation they've gotten. I'm not confident that is something fixable.

well I can guarantee you being a teen is fixable. I dont know the psychiatry beyond that. I dont think anyone else here does either. Its all "eww yuck". Which may well be fine, but has nothing to do with chance of being rehabbed.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia


No, but I'd rather be mugged than murdered.

Fine, so why not life imprisonment for both?

[Caligastia]

Are you taking the piss? Why not life imprisonment for jaywalking?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Are you taking the piss? Why not life imprisonment for jaywalking?

Why not?

Im not stupid, Im just trying to get YOU to articulate the principles behind the distinctions you make.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Why not?

Im not stupid, Im just trying to get YOU to articulate the principles behind the distinctions you make.

I meant "are you joking", not "are you stupid".

I distinguish between mugging and murder based on the harm that is being done to another. The more harm you are capable of choosing to do to another, the closer to animal status (and the farther from possible rehab) you are.

[DaShi]

Some people are just broken. I agree that there is no hope for rehabilitation for these two. They can not be returned to society. So the issue is what's the most efficient way to dispose of them? I think that life in prison is a good choice here.

[Kuciwalker]

lotm: if I can't empathize with her at all, I don't believe she could empathize with me.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Caligastia
How the **** are you going to prevent things like this from happening? You can't! It's impossible, so we should exterminate these two vile specimens ASAP.

The less understandable the crime, the more likely it could be prevented. We just need to know what to look for. It's the "normal" stuff that is hard to pick out before-hand.

Eventually we will be able to identify many psychological disorders before birth. We are approaching (perhaps already at, if we knew what to target and it was socially acceptable) the point where we have the ability to modify the genetic code to minimize those risks. Environmental and conditioning factors are already understood to some extent. Treatment options already prevent a great many psychologically related problems, and we're really just getting started in the field.

It'll take time, but unless the luddites are allowed to stop advancement altogether... we'll get there.

[DinoDoc]

Just send them to LotM's house after they serve thier sentence.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Odd how justice has been redefined by whiny wussy people these days.

"Justice" has always been a very subjective term, and dissidents to the "eye for an eye" mentality have been around for millenia. That you can't understand that sadly isn't odd though, ignorance is rather common.

You are perfectly free Aeson, to disect their brains to your hearts content once these wastes of space are gone.

That could be useful, and at some point probably is necessary for a full understanding. Having living subjects to experiment on so as to observe the changes whatever modifications/treatments had is also necessary though.

I even recommend beheading them so there won't be any nasty side effects of electricity or chemicals to screw with your results.

The side-effect of decreased blood-flow and lack of consciousness (or any neurological activity) could be detrimental to many experiments. :P

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Aeson
The less understandable the crime, the more likely it could be prevented. We just need to know what to look for.

That's absurd. It takes far more resources to find something that happens frequently than one that happens infrequently.

And hey, if we execute her you'll get to try to convert her before she goes to hell where she belongs