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I see no moral problem with killing this stupid *****.
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Yup, it's no more immoral than putting down rabid dogs.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I see no moral problem with killing this stupid *****....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Ya, know, its just possible that a teen with impulse control problems, and some graphic violent fantasies, might REALLY be more capable of being rehabbed than most criminals.Originally posted by Arrian
As long as nobody has any delusions about "rehabilitating" them.
Im not rigidly anti death penalty, but theres alot of automatic assumptions being made here, that have more to do with the disgustingness of the crime and the coldness of the perps, than any real evidence about what it would take to be rehabbed.
If you want death cause theyre so disgusting and cold, say so. Dont pretend we know for sure that theyre less like to be rehabbed than someone who kills during a mugging, or in a drunken rage at a bar, or whatever."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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LotM,
I'm not necessarily advocating the DP. I remain anti-DP, albeit not very strongly so.
I'm arguing that these two are too far gone to possibly be "fixed." Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I don't really care if they can be rehabilitated, why would they deserve it?
Resonsibility for your actions, the other side of freedom
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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they will probably only get 2 years in prison over there. Damn country full of criminals. They don't have hard punishments like the U.S.
With such lenient punishments over there, why not kill someone?Comment
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Resonsibility for your actions, the other side of freedom
Personal responsibility is a dirty concept in todays world.
You watch - they will eventually come up with a "reason" for this - and find something to blame apart from the fact that these two are feral animals.
They will not get what they deserve, and nor will the victims family.
In fact they will probably get celebrity status, rather than vile dirt status.
I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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Yes, their only mistake was failing to make a video and send it to NBC.Originally posted by Nugog
Personal responsibility is a dirty concept in todays world.
You watch - they will eventually come up with a "reason" for this - and find something to blame apart from the fact that these two are feral animals.
They will not get what they deserve, and nor will the victims family.
In fact they will probably get celebrity status, rather than vile dirt status.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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why does anybody deserve it?Originally posted by Patroklos
I don't really care if they can be rehabilitated, why would they deserve it?
Why does a 24 YO who commits a mugging deserve a second chance? Why not put them away for life, or better yet give them the DP? You ever been mugged? You ever had your whole sense of security wiped away in a few seconds?
IF no one deserves to be rehabbed, fine.
IF no murderer deserves to be rehabbed, fine.
But IF we are gonna rehab SOME murderers, and not others, then we have to decide on what basis. Could be on the disgustingness of the act. Or the coldness. Or the actual odds of being rehabbed. But lets not pretend its one when its really the other, is all Im saying."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Yeah, cold-blooded murder...mugging...what's the difference?
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Originally posted by Caligastia
Yeah, cold-blooded murder...mugging...what's the difference?
We are talking about murder, not manslaughter, not mugging, not littering............I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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you tell me.Originally posted by Caligastia
Yeah, cold-blooded murder...mugging...what's the difference?
Personal responsibility, right? If youve done something wrong, its YOUR responsibility, and youve forfeited all rights.
So I take it you have NOT been mugged, then?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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someone asked why they have a right to be rehabbed, since personal responsibility should triumph.Originally posted by Nugog
We are talking about murder, not manslaughter, not mugging, not littering............
So I ask why a mugger has the right to be rehabbed.
So far I have not received an answer.
Just the banal point that murder isnt mugging.
Yes, I know that. What is the basis for a mugger having the right to be rehabbed?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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The implementation of the death penalty is a tricky thing. It has to be cruel and punishing enough that it acts as a deterrent and has a deep psychological impact on society as a whole, so that it is a successful deterrent, and that the "revenge" instinct of the people affected is satisfied to a reasonable extent, but humane enough that society is neither desensitised, nor so that it contravenes society's morals. It also has to be done in such a manner that it is cheaper to execute someone than to put them in jail for the rest of their lives.Comment
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No, but I'd rather be mugged than murdered.Originally posted by lord of the mark
you tell me.
Personal responsibility, right? If youve done something wrong, its YOUR responsibility, and youve forfeited all rights.
So I take it you have NOT been mugged, then?...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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