Yay! I voted in a real election

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Richelieu


Pure laine is an expression not a slogan. There are some - like yourself - who try to recuperate this expression to tag it onto all french speaking quebecers in order to brand them racists. In reality it is rarely used here while its use is increasing in the offices of The Toronto Sun.

I wasn't aware the Toronto Sun coined that phrase. Oh right, they didn't.

Bill 101 stipulates that children attending public schools must do so in French until the post-secondary level. (If they go to private, it's their choice). An exception allows for children to attend the English-language public schools if either one of the parents received his/her education in English in Canada.
Meaning: if you come to Quebec from outside Canada, you'll be in a predominantly french society and we'll offer you free education in french. If you come from the rest of Canada and you want to study in english, you can if one of your parents did too. If not, you can pay to get your education in english. We have a great english education system.

Way to marginalize the English that haven't yet made the trip down the 401. That is the goal though isn't it?

And he didn't stay there for long after, or receive any support from anyone after he said it. He was chastised by both french and english speaking media. He's been a political paria ever since. Perhaps we should have shot him.

And how many separatists were silently agreeing?

But, adding to this, what was so wrong about what he said?

Surely you jest?

About your articles, i am certain there's plenty of resources out there that may look less biased than an op-ed from a Toronto based journalist or an article that begins:

According to the article "Richard Swift is an editor with the New Internationalist in Canada. He is a Quebecker who now lives in Toronto.

I guess he doesn't count either. Are you done shooting the messenger? Would you like to address his position?

Very insightful. Where did you get that one?

With such an abundance of material on this issue one has no shortage of sources for opinion.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
However, the PQ has undergone a vast effort to integrate 'neo-Québécois" in its movement, with success. Many PQ candidates in Montreal come from immigrant backgrounds. A survey conducted a few years ago also showed that immigrants aged 18-30 favored separatism in a proportion of 39%.

This was reflected in their stunning success last night.

[Fake Boris]

BTW, the Bloc Québécois presented 6 candidates (out of 75) that weren't born in Canada in the last election. Four of them were elected.

[Ben Kenobi]

ADQ did very well last night.

Quite a surprising result. I thought they were only supposed to get 20 seats or so.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Wezil


This was reflected in their stunning success last night.

BS. Polls showed that PQ support amongst non-francophones remained stable at 12% between 2003 and 2007. It's the francophone vote that deserted both the Liberals and PQ towards the ADQ.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
ADQ did very well last night.

Quite a surprising result. I thought they were only supposed to get 20 seats or so.

What exactly does this have to do with the rising cost of milk?

"You're like a child Donny....." /Walter Sobchak

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


BS. Polls showed that PQ support amongst non-francophones remained stable at 12% between 2003 and 2007. It's the francophone vote that deserted both the Liberals and PQ towards the ADQ.

Maybe the separatists didn't like the appeal to the outsiders and abandoned their party?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Wiki says Section 6 of the Charter guarantees French Canadians a French education anywhere in Canada. Why can't other people choose an English education in Quebec, even if they don't speak English? Did they invoke the notwithstanding clause? If so, that would seem a mite hypocritical.

It's not unconstitutional. Here's what the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has to say:

23. (1) Citizens of Canada

a) whose first language learned and still understood is that of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province in which they reside, or
b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in English or French and reside in a province where the language in which they received that instruction is the language of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province,

have the right to have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in that language in that province.

Continuity of language instruction

(2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the same language.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Wezil
I wasn't aware the Toronto Sun coined that phrase. Oh right, they didn't.

They use it a lot more than we do though. Of course if you want to depict someone as being racist you'd wanna say he keeps saying racist stuff.

Way to marginalize the English that haven't yet made the trip down the 401. That is the goal though isn't it?

The alternative is to let ourselves be marginalized. Have a look at the history of french communities in Alberta, Manitoba and Northern Ontario and talk to me about marginalisation.

And how many separatists were silently agreeing?

That's it? That's what you got?

Surely you jest?

The Quebec referendum law specifies the amounts that can be spent by both sides during a campaign. The Feds did not respect this limit.
Have a look at the vote percentages by ethnic communities. Or can't you say that? Can't you think it?

According to the article "Richard Swift is an editor with the New Internationalist in Canada. He is a Quebecker who now lives in Toronto.

I guess he doesn't count either. Are you done shooting the messenger? Would you like to address his position?

I'll give you that. And he's right on the money with this:

The other soul of Quebec nationalism puts forward a more inclusionary program that would allow for a cultural diversity rooted in a fight for social rights. But people on this wing have shown a marked reluctance to weaken the nationalist front by criticizing the exclusionary nationalists.

But your other link was still junk.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Richelieu

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But your other link was still junk.

The feminists? I won't try to defend feminist ideology, I was just showing the range of opinion/consensus on the topic.

[Richelieu]

And i have to pay a 1200$ "welcome" tax for my new place! Bunch of ()*&^)$*@%&!

[Wezil]

The tax cut the RoC just gave you should help with that.

[Fake Boris]

Face it Wezil, all your claims have been shown to be junk in <3.

[Richelieu]

All of Canada paid for that tax cut. I wonder how much money was drained from Quebec to jump start the RoC since 1759? I mean, up until the 1970s Quebecers were primarily cheap labor for the rest of the country. We didn't own our businesses, hell: we were lucky if we could speak our language at work. I don't have any problems with Alberta's oil paying for my tax cuts now.

[CrONoS]

@Wezil

Maybe the separatists didn't like the appeal to the outsiders and abandoned their party?

Mainly the transfert were from PLQ: Some PQ voter also transfered to QS and "maybe" green party.


Election 2007:=======Difference in % with 2003 election
PLQ: 33,08==== -25.18%(difference with 2003 election)
ADQ: 30,80=====76.26%
PQ: 28,33===== -11.35
Green: 3,89====809.38%
QS: 3,65======around 800%(they were called UFP)