Obama = jihadist

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo
No head of state would give a ****. Besides, possibly, Ahmedinejad, but we'd be dealing with Khamenei anyways.

If all we had to worry about were heads of state (and heads of govt, generally more important), our public diplomacy situation would be shiny-happy. Mubarak likes us. The king of Jordan likes us. We're going to have a pro-US PM in France soon. Weve got Merkel in Germany. Brown wont be much worse than Blair. Theres Harper in Canada. We have friendly heads of govt from Morocco to Tunisia, and even Libya, to some extent.

Yet you and I know our public diplomacy is well, troubled. Cause you know the peoples, the streets, matter. Maybe not so much as some say, but they do. So that would be the question.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by rah
It's been hilarious in Chicago the last couple of days.
Obama came out and endorsed Daley for Mayor of Chicago (probably a payback for Daley supporting him)

But all the black Mayor-wanna-bes that are running against Daley are going crazy denouncing Obama.
They're accusing him of closing his eyes to all the corruption associated with the mayor while campaigning for reform. This stuff is priceless. One wannabe was quoted as saying "this just proves he doesn't have what it takes to be President" The fact that he's backing a white candidate over a black candidate (not that any of them probably have any chance at all) is a slap in the face of all black people.

Let the games continue.

More popcorn please.

Maybe Dick Dailey is still resentful against woman pols. Whatever happened to old Jane whats her face?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Arrian
Do they have something like Christian baptism or confirmation?

* Arrian displays his ignorance

Not that I can see.


Sharia Law resource

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
If an Islamist at time of birth, IIRC Obama is Islamic by virtue of birth similar to a person being Jewish by birth if the mother is Jewish.

The accurate word is "Muslim". There's a difference between a Muslim and an Islamist, thank you

[Arrian]

I noticed that too, but I figured it was innocent.

-Arrian

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Arrian
I noticed that too, but I figured it was innocent.

I never grant Ogie the benefit of the doubt when it concerns Democrats

[Chemical Ollie]

Isn't freedom of religion one of the very fundamentals of USA? And church is separated from politics. So what would the faith of a politician matter?

[Arrian]

Ollie - it's a troll thread, of course. And it would matter to some people in much the same way that it mattered to some people that JFK was a Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

It does seem like one has to have been (conciously) a Muslim for one to be considered apostate. I wonder if there is an age tagged to that. Age of majority?

-Arrian

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I never grant Ogie the benefit of the doubt when it concerns Democrats

Thats Demonrats thank you very much.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Isn't freedom of religion one of the very fundamentals of USA? And church is separated from politics. So what would the faith of a politician matter?

Becuase people can vote based upon anything that they want to. Including the faith of a politician. That is why most are, at least on the surface, Christian. I mean, that is just identity politics.

JM

[Jaakko]

Some nutbar is going to kill Obama if it seems he has a chance to win. That's what kind of people hard line Republicanism breeds.

[Ramo]

If all we had to worry about were heads of state (and heads of govt, generally more important), our public diplomacy situation would be shiny-happy. Mubarak likes us. The king of Jordan likes us. We're going to have a pro-US PM in France soon. Weve got Merkel in Germany. Brown wont be much worse than Blair. Theres Harper in Canada. We have friendly heads of govt from Morocco to Tunisia, and even Libya, to some extent.

Yet you and I know our public diplomacy is well, troubled. Cause you know the peoples, the streets, matter. Maybe not so much as some say, but they do. So that would be the question.

Dunno who you've been talking to but it's really doubtful that the "people on the streets" really care that a Christian American President had Muslim grandparents one one side of his family. If anything, it'll be an affirmation of the tolerance and diversity in our society, i.e. a good thing for public diplomacy. I don't see why we should base our elective choices on the sensitivites of bigots in other countries. Tammy Baldwin (D - WI) for Veep.

[Ramo]

Do they have something like Christian baptism or confirmation?

There's something sort of like a confirmation.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Some nutbar is going to kill Obama if it seems he has a chance to win. That's what kind of people hard line Republicanism breeds.

Lee Harvey Oswald
Sirhan Sirhan
James Earl Ray
Samuel Byck
Squeaky Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
Raymond Lee Harvey
John Hinkley
16 Saddaam Men with a car bomb in Kuwait
Francisco Martin Duran
Frank Eugene Corder
Vladimir Arutinian


All well known republicans.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo

If all we had to worry about were heads of state (and heads of govt, generally more important), our public diplomacy situation would be shiny-happy. Mubarak likes us. The king of Jordan likes us. We're going to have a pro-US PM in France soon. Weve got Merkel in Germany. Brown wont be much worse than Blair. Theres Harper in Canada. We have friendly heads of govt from Morocco to Tunisia, and even Libya, to some extent.

Yet you and I know our public diplomacy is well, troubled. Cause you know the peoples, the streets, matter. Maybe not so much as some say, but they do. So that would be the question.

Dunno who you've been talking to but it's really doubtful that the "people on the streets" really care that a Christian American President had Muslim grandparents one one side of his family. If anything, it'll be an affirmation of the tolerance and diversity in our society, i.e. a good thing for public diplomacy. I don't see why we should base our elective choices on the sensitivites of bigots in other countries. Tammy Baldwin (D - WI) for Veep.

A. If Obama was never himself a muslim, I too doubt it would matter.
B. Even if he HAD been a muslim, and converted to Christianity, and thus was an apostate we could well decide that it would be wrong to bow to the sensitivities of parts of the muslim world rather than do what we think is right. I never said otherwise. That does not mean there would not be an effect. Note, I personally have reservations about electing a Jew as President any time in the near future.