Obama = jihadist

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I admit that there are scriptures against homosexual activity. Just as there is against all other sorts of activity. If homosexual activity is a sin, then it is between the people involved and God.

You can't be a Christian and an open sinner. You can call yourself Christian but you're not.

[Dinner]

Re: Re: Obama = jihadist

Originally posted by Drogue

Um... fundie? Because he spent four years as a child being raised by a Muslim? SO that means all these born-again Christians are actually still whatever religion they were before? And that if you're raised a catholic you never decide later it's not for you?

It's not even a good troll, it's just too blatant. Some subtlety and that could have been well spu

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Rasputin
Actually i am a chrisitian and I Worship Satan, it ok cause i make up my own rules and dont think the bible is relevant to today !!

I am not in favor of making up rules. Although some disagree with me.

I personally am against Abortion. And I think those who are in favor of it do a grave injustice. And the Bible, I think, supports my position.

But I am not going to say someone isn't a Chirstian because they thing differently than I on Abortion. I might try and convince them of my position, and if they are a Christian I might even use Christian arguments (which I don't do in general), but I won't say that they won't be saved unless they change their mind.

For one thing, determining who is saved or not isn't our responsibility. It is God's alone. We can try to help our fellow man, including in directing them towards God and warning them if we think they are hurting themselves or trying to stop them from hurting others. But God is our judge.

On Homosexual activity, once more, where in the Bible does it say it is the ultimate sin? Most of us sin each day. Once more, it is God's decision. We might try to convince someone (particularly if they are just confused and not gay) , but no way would God want the hate that many have towards them.

Note that the theolocratic laws in the OT are another matter. We are not a theocracy now. People can choose their own way. I personally think that without the harsh rules that the people of Israel would have fallen into apostasy even faster than they did (surrounded by idolators), as such they were a forceful mechanism to keep Israel being the people of God. But I admit I don't understand everything.

Jon Miller

[Kuciwalker]

The difference is that homosexual people are inherently sinful. Their entire lives are defined by sin. They can't be Christians, and neither can the people who enable them.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You can't be a Christian and an open sinner. You can call yourself Christian but you're not.

I have never met a person who was not a sinner. I don't think any more of people who sin in secret then those whose sins are more open.

Some people who no longer sin might exist, but I haven't met them.

All of us Christians are on the path of enlightenment, to Salvation. That doesn't mean that all our paths are exactly the same, or that some of us don't stumble more than others.

Jon Miller

[Zkribbler]

Well, isn't this the most charming thread ever.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

You can't be a Christian and an open sinner. You can call yourself Christian but you're not.

Sure you can. You just have to be truly penitent and desire to change. BTW what you consider a sin and what the Church considers a sin might very well be two different things. If someone is a Protestant then it gets even more complicated since everyone, literally everyone, is supposed to read the scriptures and decide for themselves. This results in many interesting interpritations and contradictions between various people/groups. Over all it is a good thing.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The difference is that homosexual people are inherently sinful. There entire life is defined by sin. They can't be Christians, and neither can the people who enable them.

We are all inherently sinful. All of our lives are defined by sin.

If ther was a nonsinful person, they would have no reason to be Christians. They could commune with God without going through Jesus Christ and receiving His Grace.

Jon Miller

[Kuciwalker]

Sure you can. You just have to be truly penitent and desire to change.

Openly gay Christians don't fit the bill, nor do the liberal "Christians" who enable them.

[Ramo]

As a corollary to the article, Obama can bend time. He spent two years in a Catholic school, at least four in an Islamic school, but only spent four years in Indonesia. That would make him the sweetest President ever.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The guy has spent most of his life as a devote Protestant yet now the Republicans are bashing him and claiming he's a muslim fundimentalist?

How low can the right wing go?

I think that some of this is coming from the Hillary camp.

Politicians

JM

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ramo
As a corollary to the article, Obama can bend time. He spent two years in a Catholic school, at least four in an Islamic school, but only spent four years in Indonesia. That would make him the sweetest President ever.

Or get us out of this mess in Iraq!

JM

[Rasputin]

from what i read , correct me if i am worng ..

But to be a "Chrisitian" is to be one who is Christ like.

I would never want that title place upon my head. it is way to high ideals to reach.

As for sinning.

Jesus said "Be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is"

to the unsave he healed " go and sin no more"

It is only modern churches that have watered down the bible to get as many people inside as they can that except that to be a sinner and a chrisitan are ok.

I dont judge anyone, as you say god will. But whilst churches claim the bible is the word of god. they have to accept it all not just what makes their coffers full.

but that is another topic entirely...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Sure you can. You just have to be truly penitent and desire to change.

Openly gay Christians don't fit the bill, nor do the liberal "Christians" who enable them.

Well, even assuming that a gay lifestyle is sinful, if God hasn't impressed them of that sin, then it isn't a factor (look at Paul) I think.

I know for a fact that when I am more spiritual, I recognise things as sinful which I didn't recognise when I was less spiritual. What the Holy Spirit convicts us of is in His hand.

To use an example, I feel that working on the Sabbath (which is Saturday) is sinful. Many good Christians have not been convicted of this, and so God doesn't expect them to change. If God leads them towards recognition of the Sabbath, and they refuse it, then that would be another matter.

peace,
Jon Miller

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The difference is that homosexual people are inherently sinful. Their entire lives are defined by sin. They can't be Christians, and neither can the people who enable them.

If you were a real Christian you'd be happy to let God decide and stay out of it. As it is I suspect you are just trolling.