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  • #31
    There are people who wouldn't vote for him because he attended a madrassa. But these people wouldn't vote for him anyways.

    Honestly, there are a problems Obama would/will have in his campaign. But his father won't be one of them, and his middle name won't be one of them, however much desperate opponents in either party might try.
    "Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok

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    • #32
      I can't for the life of me understand why this is important to anyone.
      Lime roots and treachery!
      "Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten

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      • #33
        I will admit it is more pertinant than the fact his father was a former Muslim.

        JM
        Jon Miller-
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        • #34
          Do you even know what a madrassa is?
          Do you?

          People forget that Wahhabis weren't all that prominent in the Islamic world a few decades ago. They're a relatively recent trend, and I doubt that more than a few such schools existed in Jakarta at the time he was there.

          He also spent a couple years in a Catholic school in Jakarta. ZOMGF the Indonesian Inquistion!
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ramo


            Do you?

            LOTM - My impression is that its more or less equivalent to a yeshiva - an academy for the study of primarily legal texts (sharia in the one case, halacha in the other) using traditional methods.


            People forget that Wahhabis weren't all that prominent in the Islamic world a few decades ago. They're a relatively recent trend, and I doubt that more than a few such schools existed in Jakarta at the time he was there.

            LOTM - the Saudis started pouring money overseas after 1979, in part to counter Iranian influence. My impression is there are quite a lot of Saudi funded institutions across the muslim world, and that some non-Wahabi sunnis (such as some Sufis) consider this a major problem.

            He also spent a couple years in a Catholic school in Jakarta. ZOMGF the Indonesian Inquistion!

            LOTM - well yeah. Parents make all kinds of decisions for all kinds of reasons
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #36

              Not sure what you're getting at...
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #37
                it doesnt matter !
                GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                • #38
                  Oh gosh, I just can't wait for Ned to see this

                  Impressive, Drake.

                  -Arrian
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Drogue
                    But then, how many dems are really devout Christians? Most strike me as more liberal Christians.
                    Exactly. You can't support gay rights or abortion and be a real Christian.

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                    • #40
                      Yeah you can. I disagree with those who support Abortion, but lots of real Christians do. And lots support gay rights, or are even gay themselves.

                      JM
                      Jon Miller-
                      I AM.CANADIAN
                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #41
                        i gues provided being a christian doesnt mean you have to supportwhats in the bible of course you can be GAY and christian,
                        GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jon Miller
                          Yeah you can. I disagree with those who support Abortion, but lots of real Christians do. And lots support gay rights, or are even gay themselves.
                          They're christians in name only.

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                          • #43
                            Actually i am a chrisitian and I Worship Satan, it ok cause i make up my own rules and dont think the bible is relevant to today !!
                            GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                            • #44
                              I admit that there are scriptures against homosexual activity. Just as there is against all other sorts of activity. If homosexual activity is a sin, then it is between the people involved and God.

                              And it assuredly is not the Super Secret Ultimate Sin that many on the right beleive.

                              Jon Miller
                              (I personally think it is more the result of sin, but it is still between gay Christians (like MrFun, who hasn't posted in a while) and God)
                              Jon Miller-
                              I AM.CANADIAN
                              GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                              • #45
                                The guy has spent most of his life as a devote Protestant yet now the Republicans are bashing him and claiming he's a muslim fundimentalist?

                                How low can the right wing go?
                                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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